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Offline The Fugitive

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Re: Trivia #2
« Reply #15 on: June 18, 2014, 07:46:02 AM »
Your not a very good mechanic if you can't hang on to your tools. While not a professional,  all of my tools are accounted for while doing the job. How many tools can you use at once?

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Re: Trivia #2
« Reply #16 on: June 18, 2014, 11:20:49 AM »
  ^^^ this
 personaly i have spent 10s of thousands of dollars on my own tools,after i finish each job i clean and put away all my tools before the vehicle goes out the door.
carelessness is the only excuse for loosing tools,and it doesent matter if you work on cars or planes or boats.



btw, i cant resist,keeping tools on a pegboard is sooooooo 70s





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Re: Trivia #2
« Reply #17 on: June 18, 2014, 02:50:05 PM »
@cobia38 & @The Fugitive

In aviation, the tools not only counted but they are precisely monitored, everything is recorded: when, who, for what, and where to takes the tool and when returns it. The "checkpoints" of collecting all tools are performed frequently.

So in case something goes wrong you know where to search and who to ask. These are standard procedures that are learned by everybody who works in aviation.

But, tools get lost, rarely - very rarely. And if a tool is missing it is something extraordinary. In most of cases they would be found and returned to were they belong shortly.

If you say that you are a mechanics who works for many years and you have never lost a single tool in a busy workshop - than you don't really monitor your tools well enough - it is the reality.
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Re: Trivia #2
« Reply #18 on: June 18, 2014, 04:48:53 PM »
 i,m just saying that the garbage can is the last place one of my tools would end up   :rolleyes:


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Re: Trivia #2
« Reply #19 on: June 18, 2014, 04:58:50 PM »
@cobia38 & @The Fugitive

In aviation, the tools not only counted but they are precisely monitored, everything is recorded: when, who, for what, and where to takes the tool and when returns it. The "checkpoints" of collecting all tools are performed frequently.

So in case something goes wrong you know where to search and who to ask. These are standard procedures that are learned by everybody who works in aviation.

But, tools get lost, rarely - very rarely. And if a tool is missing it is something extraordinary. In most of cases they would be found and returned to were they belong shortly.

If you say that you are a mechanics who works for many years and you have never lost a single tool in a busy workshop - than you don't really monitor your tools well enough - it is the reality.

LOL!!! Im sorry to say your wrong, but you are.  :D

I still have wrench sets I bought 20 years ago. There a bit beat up, but I know were all of them are. Using "check points" and monitoring systems takes the responsibility AWAY for those using the tools. They don't have to pay attention because there are so many systems to watch their back. All I have is me and that very expensive tool cabinet filled with very expensive tools.

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Re: Trivia #2
« Reply #20 on: June 18, 2014, 05:18:41 PM »
My friend CAS who used to fly here once had an A-4 check out fine before launch but after the cat shot he had no pitch control. He was busy on the trim when the air boss inquired about his late gear retraction. They were close enough to a landing field that he didn't have to try for the CV. He suspects a lost tool but never found out what it was.

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Re: Trivia #2
« Reply #21 on: June 18, 2014, 05:26:17 PM »
The death of the first black female flyer Bessie Coleman.

On April 30, 1926, Coleman was in Jacksonville, Florida. She had recently purchased a Curtiss JN-4 (Jenny) in Dallas. Her mechanic and publicity agent, William Wills, flew the plane from Dallas in preparation for an airshow but had to make three forced landings along the way due to the plane's being so poorly maintained and worn out.[12] Upon learning this, Coleman's friends and family did not consider the aircraft safe and implored her not to fly it. On take-off, Wills was flying the plane with Coleman in the other seat. She had not put on her seatbelt because she was planning a parachute jump for the next day and wanted to look over the cockpit sill to examine the terrain. About ten minutes into the flight, the plane unexpectedly dived, then spun around. Coleman was thrown from the plane at 2,000 ft (610 m) and died instantly when she hit the ground. William Wills was unable to regain control of the plane and it plummeted to the ground. Wills died upon impact and the plane burst into flames. Although the wreckage of the plane was badly burned, it was later discovered that a wrench used to service the engine had slid into the gearbox and jammed it. [7][13] Coleman was just 34 years old.
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Re: Trivia #2
« Reply #22 on: June 18, 2014, 06:24:44 PM »
What gearbox?


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Re: Trivia #2
« Reply #23 on: June 18, 2014, 11:30:56 PM »
These are standard procedures that are learned by everybody who works in aviation.

Not really standard.  Good idea but have never seen a formal procedure used.  My tools were marked with my name....had an A&P tell me he'd never mark his tools in case one got left in an airplane and something happened. :devil
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Re: Trivia #2
« Reply #24 on: June 19, 2014, 01:16:20 AM »
Not really standard.  Good idea but have never seen a formal procedure used...

It depends were do you work. I assume small hangars serving a light planes may "pass" on such a procedure but no serious airline or airforce would go without it.

A tool lost somewhere inside an aircraft is way more dangerous than a tool lost inside a car.
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Re: Trivia #2
« Reply #25 on: June 19, 2014, 06:19:58 AM »
It depends were do you work. I assume small hangars serving a light planes may "pass" on such a procedure but no serious airline or airforce would go without it.

A tool lost somewhere inside an aircraft is way more dangerous than a tool lost inside a car.


 ahhhhh,so you are saying that there is no human lives at stake when something goes wrong with the mechanics of a car vs those of an aircraft   :rolleyes:

  sorry to burst your're  bubble,but have you ever worked on any of the modern automotive safety systems ?




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Re: Trivia #2
« Reply #26 on: June 19, 2014, 06:41:39 AM »

 ahhhhh,so you are saying that there is no human lives at stake when something goes wrong with the mechanics of a car vs those of an aircraft   :rolleyes:


Of course not... if you don't maintain properly brakes or steering wheel mechanism or few other safety systems things would go terribly wrong. For example if a tool got stuck under a brake pedal - it can lead to a bad results...

But vast majority for road deaths aren't caused by mechanical failures - in fact only a tiny fraction one. And I'm not aware of any case of a deadly car accident caused by a missing tool (also probably there were)

In the aviation there were numerous cases... and not once that's it. FOD is one of the major things you learn to deal with.

The fact is that the probability of a fatal accident by missing tool in aviation is much higher than in a car industry.

Even in a simulator (AH) I had almost broke a wing of 109 due to FOD.

I landed, taxied to a rearm pad for refuel. I push on brakes stop the plane, the throttle is cut back to the idle. I get a message that reloading started. I release the brakes. The plane starts moving. I press the brakes once again. Cut the engine with "E" and start checking.

I discover a small part of my pen get stuck in the throttle not letting me put it into the idle position - FOD - in AH.
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