Not Easy Mode Planes

[XxDaSTaRxx]

Ever flown a lone 17 into a furball, tried to dogfight and not tear off wings?

It sounds simple, to just lazily roll and block a shot, but try and do a smidge of maneuvering and enjoy a 17 with one wing


 

[TheCrazyOrange]

The C-47 is EZ.

[Reaper90]

The only Spits that aren't absolute trainers are the Spit I and Spit V.
Ki84 is Japanese Spitfire. Rugged, super climb, uber flap trainer.

La7, D Pony, M jug, Temp, Dora, 4-Hog, K4*... qualify as easy mode. Fast and well armed, if you die in these planes more than rarely, you made a mistake somewhere, bad.

*K4, the only thing that makes a fair argument is the 30mm, but once you master that gun (or even just get decent with it) there are few planes in the game that the K4 cannot run down, out turn, and kill with ease. A well flown K4 with any altitude is just as dangerous as a Tempest or 262.

"Not easy mode?"

P-39's, P-40's, I-16

Yak 7, Spit and Hurri I, F4F, Emil slightly "less hard"

Not easy, but not hard: La5FN, Yaks 9 and 3, 109F and G, most 47's, 38's, and blue planes. B pony, Ki61

All that aside, the real determining factor on what is an easy mode and what plane is a pig? Aside from the pilot, which one of the two has the altitude and speed advantage. The low and slow Tempest/K4/Dora will get owned by the high, fast P39D, P-40C, or I-16 almost every time.

[Lusche]

The only Spits that aren't absolute trainers are the Spit I and Spit V.

And XIV. At least in AH

[Reaper90]

And XIV. At least in AH

yeh, forgot about that D pony that is shaped like a Spitfire. 

[TheCrazyOrange]

The only Spits that aren't absolute trainers are the Spit I and Spit V.
Ki84 is Japanese Spitfire. Rugged, super climb, uber flap trainer.

La7, D Pony, M jug, Temp, Dora, 4-Hog, K4*... qualify as easy mode. Fast and well armed, if you die in these planes more than rarely, you made a mistake somewhere, bad.

*K4, the only thing that makes a fair argument is the 30mm, but once you master that gun (or even just get decent with it) there are few planes in the game that the K4 cannot run down, out turn, and kill with ease. A well flown K4 with any altitude is just as dangerous as a Tempest or 262.

"Not easy mode?"

P-39's, P-40's, I-16

Yak 7, Spit and Hurri I, F4F, Emil slightly "less hard"

Not easy, but not hard: La5FN, Yaks 9 and 3, 109F and G, most 47's, 38's, and blue planes. B pony, Ki61

All that aside, the real determining factor on what is an easy mode and what plane is a pig? Aside from the pilot, which one of the two has the altitude and speed advantage. The low and slow Tempest/K4/Dora will get owned by the high, fast P39D, P-40C, or I-16 almost every time.

How are you defining easy? From a veteran's perspective, or a noobs? From a "survive and land kills" perspective, or a "win dogfights" perspective?

The jug, temp, Dora and K4 I would only consider poor-average dogfighters, and are rather bad choices for a noob. But in skilled hands, and flown right, they are exceptionally good.

Also there are many planes that can out turn a K4.

And the E4 is slower than the P-40's, can't turn with an F4F, or I-16, and has those awful MGFF/M's.

[LCADolby]

And the E4 is slower than the P-40's, can't turn with an F4F, or I-16, and has those awful MGFF/M's.

It can turn with an F4F 

[FLOOB]

C-hog. It takes effort to not get a kill in that plane.

[Slade]

We know things are relative.  We know the skill of the pilot is always a factor.

That being said, the consensus seems to be that the hardest planes to get kills in (given the broad complete range of late war situations) are: P-40, C-202, P-39d and F4f.

Also mentioned are Spit I, Hurri I, A6m2, BF-109e.

Is there any other plane that one could make a case for that takes significantly more effort than most to get kills in?


Thanks for all your posts!

Slade  

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Add Bf110c to that not so easy planes on the list.

[Slade]

Will do save.

In your experience what makes the Bf110c challenging to fly?

Thanks.

[GScholz]

There's a list?

[Slade]

GScholz,

Put your glasses on and read back about 3 posts.

[Slade]

Be careful what you ask for...

Here is the actual list.

[Randy1]

To me the P-39D with the 20mm package is easier to get kills than the P-39Q for the average Joe and Jane.  The D can catch a spit 16 driver in the ho-hum mode.  Its not a killer but should be a notch above the Q in a furbal.

The biggest problem is the tail comes off all to easy.