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Re: Tell me about the HE111
« Reply #15 on: July 24, 2014, 05:13:06 PM »
I think Pembquist summed it up very nicely:

"Starting with the Spanish Civil War, in my opinion nothing says nazi bomber like an he 111. It represents cutting edge technology of the thirties, the remilitarization of Germany, aspirations of conquest and domination, and brutal narcissistic pageantry that held the rest of the world in lethal contempt. In the end it became as outmoded as the ideas and leadership of the nation that built it. And while as aesthetically complete a distillation of violence as beauty as the Hugo Boss uniforms of the German millitary, it also shared the unfortunate feature of being a very dangerous thing to be in by 1944."

Yada Yada Yada... Lemme sum it up for Faulkner here :) In the Late War Arena it sucks. It's a death trap.   :uhoh
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Re: Tell me about the HE111
« Reply #16 on: July 24, 2014, 05:18:40 PM »
Yada Yada Yada... Lemme sum it up for Faulkner here :) In the Late War Arena it sucks. It's a death trap.   :uhoh

Actually it's not much different in the other arenas. A2A stats in EW for the first 6 months of this year are ugly as well. It might have more of a chance to get at least one bomber home when intercepted because it's opponent may run our of bullets after the first two.
But it's still easily intercepted and engaged.
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Re: Tell me about the HE111
« Reply #17 on: July 24, 2014, 05:25:12 PM »
Bring able escorts or die.
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Re: Tell me about the HE111
« Reply #18 on: July 24, 2014, 06:09:25 PM »
I haven't flown her in awhile but, when she was first introduced to AH it seemed to me that the He111 could soak up a fair amount of damage and still fly away (as long as that damage wasn't in the glass nose area)  

Historically I can understand why both 20mm cannon were placed facing forward but this is one of those instances where what worked in real life is opposite of what would work in aces high.

IIRC the He111 was the Luftwaffe's most numerous level bomber, but I might be wrong about that.  

She has some of the best in cockpit views for taxi, take off and landing of all the bombers currently in game.  

The air disruptor (dive brake?) that extends down at the front of the bomb bay doors (when the bay doors are open) does seem to have a slight drag effect (in combination with the drag from the open bay doors I'm sure) that I had found useful when slope bombing.

Like most bombers, don't fly directly to your target.  Try to set up your bomb run so you are on your "egress from enemy territory route" when done with the bomb run.
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Re: Tell me about the HE111
« Reply #19 on: July 24, 2014, 06:20:44 PM »
HE-111 has extremely good range ( best range for a non perked buff, at the expense of your payload) , and that's about all it has going for it.

It's defensive armament is weak where it matters consisting mostly of 7.92mm machine guns. There is the option to add a couple of MGFF 20mms, one in the nose and another forward facing in the ventral gondola, however the guns ballistic properties and rate of fire are poor. Taking the 20mm package might protect you from attacks coming from your low 8 to 2 O'clock area, but you are very vulnerable from every other angle.

The HE-111 is not very rugged either, it is prone to catching fire and its large wings don't soak up damage all to well. This means it is not ideal for low level attacks as most Anti-Aircraft defenses will make quick work of them.

It carries a little less than a B-17 in terms of Ordnance.

It's climb rate and top speed are on par with most Heavy bombers, maybe even worse, any late war fighter will have an easy time running them down.

If your going to be taking HE111s out, don't expect to be coming back in anything other than a body bag, that is unless you bring sufficient escort. If you are caught without fighter escort, your best bet is to try and sucker the enemy into approaching from either your High, or Dead 6 O'clock. If it looks like he's setting himself up for smart attacks, try to throw him off by maneuvering out of his guns. Be carful not to lose the rest of your formation though.  Its likely that they'll become frustrated and saddle up on your tail, which would allow you the best firing angle. Its recommended you don't shoot until your opponent is at most 400 out, and when you do aim for the canopy, the 7.92mm is a small round, but the guns can put a lot down range and a PW or pilot kill is very possible.

Fighting against the HE111 is pretty simple, Don't sit on his 6'oclock, but even then you can probably get away with it.


Still made it to target though  :rock
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Re: Tell me about the HE111
« Reply #20 on: July 24, 2014, 07:07:20 PM »
It carries a little less than a B-17 in terms of Ordnance.

It carries almost exactly the same load as the B-26 (8x250kg vs 8x500lbs)

It's climb rate and top speed are on par with most Heavy bombers, maybe even worse

Worse for the most part, and the He-111 ain't even a heavy bomber at all (see above). It's in the same class as the B-26 as far as loadout goes, and compared to that one is just a rock, and a unarmed one to boot.


The air disruptor (dive brake?) that extends down at the front of the bomb bay doors (when the bay doors are open)

It's not a dive brake but indeed  spoilers meant to control the air flow around the open bomb bay.
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Re: Tell me about the HE111
« Reply #21 on: July 24, 2014, 08:42:55 PM »
The He111 was a great bomber, seriously.  The problem is that in AH the He111 has to fend off fighters it normally didnt have to deal with (think Spit I vs Spit 16, or Yak 7B vs La7, or even P40C/E vs P51D).  In the early stages of WWII, it had to fend off enemy fighters of less caliber (no pun intended) than it sees in AH on a regular basis. Plus, it usually had a swarm of 109's providing escort.

As Looshy already pointed out, it mirrors the B26 in bombing poundage (4000 lbs, roughly).  But, the He111 has the ability to carry a more versatile load (torps, BFB's, many dinky bombs, lots of medium bombs, etc).

Yeah, it is a slower and less defensively armed bomber than say the B26, but get a capable escort fighter or two and make good use of the bomb load. Dont forget the MASSIVE range it has, either.  Get it to its best alt and get to 265 TAS (17k, iirc), and get an escort fighter.

FYI: I used the He111's to make a town WF once upon a time (from 100% up). The bombs hit perfectly to maximize effect, and I made full use of the forward 20mm to get a couple of already damaged buildings on the edge of the blast zones.  Instead of trashing the He111, accept the challenge and enlist a fighter escort.  :aok   
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Re: Tell me about the HE111
« Reply #22 on: July 25, 2014, 12:12:33 AM »
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Re: Tell me about the HE111
« Reply #23 on: July 25, 2014, 12:52:43 AM »
I like it but haven't been flying too much lately. The best way to use it, in my opinion, is to take off a couple bases back or at the coast, point it in the direction of a quiet enemy town a few sectors away and go out to the fridge for a bottle of something you like to drink, then....do some laundry, level off the formation and make sure it's still pointed at the town, cut the grass if its a small yard, don't call your mom (there isn't enough time for that,) but maybe put up some of that crap you left out on a work bench in the basement, maybe a little vacuuming? Anyway plan to be back at the controls for your IP. Make a couple passes on town to good effect and start back. If anybody ups they will start foaming at the mouth and chase you, you might get lucky if they are carried away and really, really careless about staying too long in your sights, also they sometimes get a little unhinged and crash into you which is funny. If you are still up and they are down you can try the usual evasives such as diving for the water with a smoking engine to fly back at 20' AGL for instance, (very Battle of Britain cinema graphic,) but don't fly back at the same altitude and heading as you are asking for it. When you land check how many points you pulled down and revisit the refrigerator. I realize it is not an efficient perk farmer but it's kinda like fun but different.
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Re: Tell me about the HE111
« Reply #24 on: July 25, 2014, 08:57:10 AM »
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Re: Tell me about the HE111
« Reply #25 on: July 25, 2014, 10:25:48 AM »
Bring able escorts or die.

 :lol  Even WITH able escorts, you are pretty much in a whole heap of trouble.  Unless you have 8 fighters per plane; not per set, per plane. :)



See, I made plans when in the He-111 when I'm intercepted:

First, I plan to soil myself.  Then I'm going to regroup and come up with a new plan.

Any thoughts?

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Re: Tell me about the HE111
« Reply #26 on: July 25, 2014, 01:44:39 PM »
:lol  Even WITH able escorts, you are pretty much in a whole heap of trouble.  Unless you have 8 fighters per plane; not per set, per plane. :)



See, I made plans when in the He-111 when I'm intercepted:

First, I plan to soil myself.  Then I'm going to regroup and come up with a new plan.

Any thoughts?

 :D

Depends
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Re: Tell me about the HE111
« Reply #27 on: July 25, 2014, 03:46:05 PM »
Just my $.02; I'm no expert, but I flew it a bit today in the MA. Turning is phenomenal. Flying it is like butter. It feels light and nimble, much more so than any other bomber. That being said, it's definitely no speed demon, and the climb leaves a lot to be desired above 10k. It's a little more rugged than folks have let on. I was able to survive an attack from a P-51 with no damage sustained.

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Re: Tell me about the HE111
« Reply #28 on: July 25, 2014, 05:11:40 PM »
Depends
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Re: Tell me about the HE111
« Reply #29 on: July 25, 2014, 05:31:15 PM »

(the chart is showning A2A results exclusively)

Even the Imperial Lighter seems to beat the He 111 in terms of survivability
In AH. the substantially better durability doesn't help much if you can't shoot back effectively.
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