New Map & No Water

[Raven3]

I have no water on the new map.  It looks like I am flying over scrub sagebrush and cedar. When I ditch the Host tells me I have in fact ditched. The clipboard map shows water, but the views when flying do not show it.

The computer is a almost new Alienware with a NVIDIA GeForge GTX 745 card. No problems have been noted with any of the other maps.

Any help appreciated. Thanks

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[The Fugitive]

what setting in the game are you using....texture size, bumpmapping and so on.

[Lusche]

I have no water on the new map.  It looks like I am flying over scrub sagebrush and cedar. When I ditch the Host tells me I have in fact ditched.

A side note just for the record: "ditching" has nothing to do with the type of surface you are "landing" on. Any landing (=coming to a stop and exit flight) which happens to be off concrete and in friendly territory (means: closest base is a friendly one) gives you a "ditch".

[Raven3]

what setting in the game are you using....texture size, bumpmapping and so on.

Video Settings are:

Video Res: 1400X1050
Max Texture Size: 2048
Anti-Aliasing: full on.

I do not know what "bumpmapping" is.

[The Fugitive]

I would turn the anti - aliasing down. You maybe over working the video card. For each frame it draws you add more and more pictures for each notch of anti - aliasing you have. That's a lot of work for a laptop. As it works harder to run other things it doesn't draw other things and so you have no blue water.

Turn it down a couple notches and try it again.

Bump mapping is the same kind of think. It's a check box in the advance graphics setting area in the game. With it on it adds depth to the frames.

[Skuzzy]

If "Detailed Water" in the games Options->Graphic Detail->Advanced panel is not checked, it could cause what you are seeing.

Also note, it is quite possible to run your video card out of resources when running with full anti-aliasing, 2048 Maximum Texture Size, Environmental mapping enabled, and with the largest shadow texture size selected (assuming shadows are enabled).

Even 3GB of video RAM would suffer resource issues.

Knocking down the anti-aliasing will help conserve resources.

[ImADot]

If "Detailed Water" in the games Options->Graphic Detail->Advanced panel is not checked, it could cause what you are seeing.

If the designer of the map uses a texture other than "deep ocean" to have nice underwater textures, doesn't all water then show as the land texture instead of the dark blue "water"? I think this is what messes up most people with marginal graphics systems that have to disable most of the advanced graphic detail.

Here's an old picture to illustrate some of the ways in which setting affect water; there are two terrain tiles not painted with a texture and you can tell they are supposed to be water.

[Raven3]

If "Detailed Water" in the games Options->Graphic Detail->Advanced panel is not checked, it could cause what you are seeing.

Also note, it is quite possible to run your video card out of resources when running with full anti-aliasing, 2048 Maximum Texture Size, Environmental mapping enabled, and with the largest shadow texture size selected (assuming shadows are enabled).

Even 3GB of video RAM would suffer resource issues.

Knocking down the anti-aliasing will help conserve resources.

Thanks Skuzzy, that worked.  Lowered the anti-aliasing, also had to lower the max texture size to 1024.  BTW I did not have either the detailed water or terrain checked. NOOB issues.  

[Raven3]

If the designer of the map uses a texture other than "deep ocean" to have nice underwater textures, doesn't all water then show as the land texture instead of the dark blue "water"? I think this is what messes up most people with marginal graphics systems that have to disable most of the advanced graphic detail.

Here's an old picture to illustrate some of the ways in which setting affect water; there are two terrain tiles not painted with a texture and you can tell they are supposed to be water.

Thanks. My graphics system should be one of the best out there, eg  new Alienware desktop, with a NIVIDIA GeForce GTX 745 card. Problem was I never knew about the advanced graphics detail until Skuzzy pointed me to them.

[Bizman]

Thanks. My graphics system should be one of the best out there, eg  new Alienware desktop, with a NIVIDIA GeForce GTX 745 card. Problem was I never knew about the advanced graphics detail until Skuzzy pointed me to them.

I'm sorry to say this, but your graphics system isn't one of the best. I'ts good, it's better than  many of us have, but it still can't do wonders. Look at this chart and you'll see why: http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html

Actually, your computer is basically a laptop in a tad bigger case. The GTX745 isn't a "real" video card, it's a mid class mobile card in the GeForce700 series and mobile components are always a little less powerful than their desktop equivalents with same model number. I'm not saying your's isn't a good computer. It is, but it's not a high end gaming computer. So you'd better just accept some limits, everything maxxed is not for you. Not for me either, if that makes you feel better. Quadruplicate the price and you're starting to get close...

You'd have to start from basic settings adding one notch or check mark of one single feature at a time to see if your system can handle it in all situations. Waffle's tips are worth reading.

[Randy1]

I have a tried different levels of anti-aliasing and found no real benefit to setting it above zero.

[Bizman]

I have a tried different levels of anti-aliasing and found no real benefit to setting it above zero.

Yes, with the current monitors with high resolutions the sawtooth effect can only be seen in the largest FullHD monitors or TV sets 27" or higher watched close with young eyes.