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Re: stealing valor
« Reply #30 on: July 26, 2014, 09:34:42 PM »
Wearing a dead relative's medals to honor them is completely different than some little weasel collecting all the medals, badges, ribbons, etc that he can come up with. Then try to impress someone else with something he doesn't have the brass to volunteer and sacrifice on his own.  Pure cowardice.  No honor.  No self respect.

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Re: stealing valor
« Reply #31 on: July 26, 2014, 10:11:04 PM »
Perhaps if we didn't glorify, recognise or attribute personal gain to killing each other in the first place the problem wouldn't exist. That's not a dig at soldiers or any particular nation and it is most definitely not a defence of these disrespectful imposters. Just an observation regarding the consequences of the human condition.
Those who have served and sacrificed are awarded those medals and ribbons to signify service, not as a scoreboard of kills.  Those same soldiers will be the last to brag about what they have experienced with their service.  Instead, they demonstrate humility, unlike the little weasel in the picture. 



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Re: stealing valor
« Reply #32 on: July 26, 2014, 10:32:25 PM »


On a serious note, which Aces High pilot is this?

Maybe the one that claimed to have 10,000 flight hours, 7,500 of those hours in fighter/attack jets but yet is clueless about ACM in game.

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Re: stealing valor
« Reply #33 on: July 26, 2014, 10:34:40 PM »
Maybe the one that claimed to have 10,000 flight hours, 7,500 of those hours in fighter/attack jets but yet is clueless about ACM in game.

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Re: stealing valor
« Reply #34 on: July 26, 2014, 10:42:13 PM »
Those who have served and sacrificed are awarded those medals and ribbons to signify service, not as a scoreboard of kills.  Those same soldiers will be the last to brag about what they have experienced with their service.  Instead, they demonstrate humility, unlike the little weasel in the picture.  

You are absolutely right, though I think you may be taking my response to Nef's quote (below) out of context if you think I had any notion of medals representing scoreboards of kills.

Since men have fought each other there have always been some men who have impersonated them for the glory, recognition and personal gain.



If I, as one who has never taken part in combat, am permitted to elaborate; if there was no prestige to be gained by impersonating a warrior then the fakers wouldn't do it. Nobody likely ever impersonates an ER nurse despite similarly traumatic and soul consuming work as that of warriors. We don't glorify nurses even though they also do their best to keep us safe, like warriors, whilst protesting that they are nothing special and 'just doing what anyone would do' in an attempt to have some semblance of normality in their lives.

True warriors do not glorify war or themselves. But those who understand nothing of war do glorify warriors. Then others who understand less than nothing about war, respect or honour impersonate warriors. The general population need warriors to be glorified. If they were not glorified, warriors would be as terrifying as the enemy they defend the population from.

No matter if combat veterans want it or not, they are glorified. War is glorified. It is part of the gloss that stops us ignorant civvies making a fuss about our societies advocating killing. It is part of the gloss that old and wealthy humans utilise to inspire young and eager humans to fight and kill each other in the just wars and the unjust.

War has evolved a lot since 'The old Lie; Dulce et Decorum est Pro patria mori' and we now understand and admit much more about the true nature of the human condition than ever before in documented history. However, war and our heroic warriors are still glorified to some lesser extent and until we can view killing each other as simply a necessary evil, a gritty function of the reality we have inherited and currently continue, there will remain the deep insult of the cowardly impersonating the brave.
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Re: stealing valor
« Reply #35 on: July 26, 2014, 11:30:19 PM »
You are absolutely right, though I think you may be taking my response to Nef's quote (below) out of context if you think I had any notion of medals representing scoreboards of kills.
Nope.  Just a statement of clarification in the event there was any doubt.



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Re: stealing valor
« Reply #36 on: July 26, 2014, 11:47:34 PM »
What kills me is the complete over-the-top display of badges and ribbons. A few ribbons couldn't suffice? Some people are never content, even in the lies they tell.

And just from the picture, like the other video, I believe this guy might be mentally ill as well.

« Last Edit: July 26, 2014, 11:52:14 PM by Nefarious »
There must also be a flyable computer available for Nefarious to do FSO. So he doesn't keep talking about it for eight and a half hours on Friday night!

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Re: stealing valor
« Reply #37 on: July 27, 2014, 07:06:29 AM »
Purple Heart and Combat Infantry Badge pisses me off the most.
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I agree with your comment as my CIB and Purple Durple I feel the most earned. 
It is possible that a hitch in the Army before the Air Force enlistment could earn him a CIB. But, there are uniform restrictions that would only entitle him to wear the CIB on an Army uniform while active Army.  Maybe that's changed, I don't know.

A good reason that real CIB awardees get a little hot seeing a phony is what it takes to earn one.

What you must do to earn the CIB:

1. Be in the Infantry or Special Forces as an enlisted man or as an officer in grade of colonel or below.

2. Personally engage the enemy in combat while serving in a unit smaller than brigade size.

The CIB is the only award in the Army that is worn above the Medal of Honor.
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Re: stealing valor
« Reply #38 on: July 27, 2014, 08:37:08 AM »
Those who have served and sacrificed are awarded those medals and ribbons to signify service, not as a scoreboard of kills.  Those same soldiers will be the last to brag about what they have experienced with their service.  Instead, they demonstrate humility, unlike the little weasel in the picture. 

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Re: stealing valor
« Reply #39 on: July 27, 2014, 11:26:34 AM »
This kid looks about 25 years old. Thats what? An E7 Senior Master? I forget.

I know much has changed but I dont even recognize 1/2 of that stuff. I was in 4 years, got out an E-4, and only got a good conduct medal and a marksmanship ribbon. This seems to be more and more prevalent, we have freakos that like to run around posing as the Police too. I knew a guy who had the world convinced he was a former motorcycle racer until we found out he never even had a MC License and probably never once rode a bike.

I dont believe in wearing medals or ribbons. Its a personal decision, I dont look down on others who do, just dont have an opinion. Its been my experience that most who deserve them never get them.
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Re: stealing valor
« Reply #40 on: July 27, 2014, 12:35:55 PM »
FTR - the idiot in the OP's post is from an old incident.  He was berated much.

IIRC, he's a former Airman 1st Class who served as a C-130 Loadmaster at Pope AFB.   He was court-martialed in 2003 for drug use involving Percocet, shrooms, nitrous oxide and huffing shoe polish.
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Re: stealing valor
« Reply #41 on: July 27, 2014, 12:53:40 PM »
IIRC, he's a former Airman 1st Class who served as a C-130 Loadmaster at Pope AFB.   He was court-martialed in 2003 for drug use involving Percocet, shrooms, nitrous oxide and huffing shoe polish.

Karaya,  That sounds familiar.  It was 2006 when the story broke IIRC.  I remember it was my first year in Stuttgart.  The story went viral within USAF circles and being in a joint command, some of the Army/Navy/MC troops had a lot of fun with that one. 
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Re: stealing valor
« Reply #42 on: July 27, 2014, 07:31:46 PM »
Loads of air force guys with airborne wings. I want to say they can qualify at the air force academy.
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Re: stealing valor
« Reply #43 on: July 27, 2014, 07:58:50 PM »
This one upsets me even more. Purple Heart and Combat Infantry Badge pisses me off the most.

Maybe he got bit by a scorpion?

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Re: stealing valor
« Reply #44 on: July 27, 2014, 08:17:04 PM »
Loads of air force guys with airborne wings. I want to say they can qualify at the air force academy.

USAF Pararescue and Combat Controllers are required to graduate from U.S. Army Military Free Fall Parachutist School, Fort Bragg, N.C.
I believe the Combat Controllers even have a follow on school for HALO at Yuma Proving Grounds.

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