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Re: stealing valor
« Reply #45 on: July 29, 2014, 01:48:29 AM »
Who the Hell is this kid?
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Re: stealing valor
« Reply #46 on: July 29, 2014, 01:20:57 PM »
I wondered what that meant, thanks Junky, I'm all know-ed up now.  Do they do the something with the combat stars on jump wings do distinguish
For Combat jumps they have a gold star on the parachute for every jump. Only a few Rangers have more then 1 (2nd Battalion I think US RANGER would know that). The star and reeth above the parachute is the level of knowledge. Star is Jump master, star with reeth is senior jump master, about 90% positive on that.
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Re: stealing valor
« Reply #47 on: July 29, 2014, 01:27:34 PM »
Quick glance he has stolen "valor" for 3 awards. Bronze Star v device, silver star, and distinguished service cross. Those are the only valorous awards I can see at a quick glance. Everything else are skill badges, service awards, and commendations.
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Re: stealing valor
« Reply #48 on: July 29, 2014, 01:31:39 PM »
I wondered what that meant, thanks Junky, I'm all know-ed up now.  Do they do the something with the combat stars on jump wings do distinguish between wars, ie Sar/Maj Plummly having jumped in WW2 and Korea for example, is there a way of differentiating those, or is it just another star on the wings.

Chanter - like I said, you can think what you like about what the law means, but if you google and search the cases where charges were laid, every instance of a family member wearing medals on the right side of a suit coat on Rem day have either never been charged,  or in the couple of cases in the early 2000's where the charges were dropped.  Since then, the L/E and MP's of Canada haven't charged anyone based on the case law established, which was directly due to the interpretation of the "lawful excuse" clause of 419.  If anything the practice has increased since 2008, again, which is why I brought it up having seen it done recently twice in the last few years, yet despite complaints, nobody gets charged, much less convicted any longer.
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The guy in the photo, horeeee kowe. Dats a lot of phat on his chest.  But by the look of his hollow eyes, sometin else is up.
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Re: stealing valor
« Reply #49 on: August 16, 2014, 07:37:49 AM »
Junky.... your killing me smalls.

The star is senior parachutist... 30 jumps and a jumpmaster.

Wreath is master parachutist... 65 jumps and a jumpmaster.

There are a required number of mass tactical, night, and equipment jumps that are counted within that number.

I had a chance to jump with the pararescue school once.... kinda sketchy. They do streamer passes to determine ground wind speed. I am now a half inch shorter... lol.

Oh yeah, gold stars are for combat jumps. When I was a company commander my bn csm was the only guy on active duty with three. Csm James d. Pippin.

In regard to the picture, I think there is a big difference in young insecure troglodytes trying to find some recognition in life and 65 year old men who do the same thing. The kids just don't know better. Frankly the old guys should.

On the CIB... you could wear lots of badges over the medal of honor. The medal of honor resides at the top of your ribbons. The sections above and below the ribbons are reserved for badges of different categories. To illustrate I have an expert infantryman's badge and a combat action badge (enlisted infantry pre-9-11 engineer officer after 9-11). I cannot wear both at the same time, regardless, they sit above my medals.
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Re: stealing valor
« Reply #50 on: August 16, 2014, 08:33:11 AM »

“Give me enough medals and I’ll win you any war”

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Re: stealing valor
« Reply #51 on: August 16, 2014, 10:26:15 AM »
I find these imposters very annoying...

I served in the 1970s. I entered the Navy within the time period for the National Defense Service ribbon. I was handed the ribbon by my Division Officer. I looked at it and told him that I preferred not to wear it. I was in bootcamp at the end of the time frame.

He insisted that I wear it on my dress uniforms... After I transferred to another command, the ribbon was retired....

I served in peacetime. I flew off carriers (aircrewman), logging over 300 traps. Dangerous work, but not combat. The closest I came to combat was having my Huey fired on by some ill tempered Cuban as we flew the fence line at night in GTMO. Seeing tracers, we skedaddled post-haste. My only other experience was when my C-1A was parked on the ramp at Beirut airport. Some mortar rounds were fired onto the field. The closest hit was on the other side of the airport. We didn't even notice... The tower informed all aircraft that the airport was closed. Being Military, we were allowed to leave at our own risk. We did so, uneventfully. It's far more dangerous to live in the south side of Chicago...

Many vets served at a time when there was no war, other than the Cold War. They have few medals and ribbons. They did the same job, and were ready to go to war if needed. They were fortunate, not having to experience the trauma of warfare. They did, however, show up for the game.

Once a year, on Veteran's Day, I take out my old Navy G-1 flight jacket (fits mighty tight these days) and my USS Saratoga ball cap, with my AC wings, and join the other vets in the parade in our small home town. That one day a year, a Vet isn't permitted to pay for a beer or lunch.... And now, almost 50 years later, the Vietnam Vets are finally getting the recognition and respect they should have gotten over the many years.

To my fellow vets who served in peacetime or in war, thanks for your sacrifice and service.... :salute

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Re: stealing valor
« Reply #52 on: August 16, 2014, 12:04:36 PM »
I find these imposters very annoying...

I served in the 1970s. I entered the Navy within the time period for the National Defense Service ribbon. I was handed the ribbon by my Division Officer. I looked at it and told him that I preferred not to wear it. I was in bootcamp at the end of the time frame.

He insisted that I wear it on my dress uniforms... After I transferred to another command, the ribbon was retired....

I served in peacetime. I flew off carriers (aircrewman), logging over 300 traps. Dangerous work, but not combat. The closest I came to combat was having my Huey fired on by some ill tempered Cuban as we flew the fence line at night in GTMO. Seeing tracers, we skedaddled post-haste. My only other experience was when my C-1A was parked on the ramp at Beirut airport. Some mortar rounds were fired onto the field. The closest hit was on the other side of the airport. We didn't even notice... The tower informed all aircraft that the airport was closed. Being Military, we were allowed to leave at our own risk. We did so, uneventfully. It's far more dangerous to live in the south side of Chicago...

Many vets served at a time when there was no war, other than the Cold War. They have few medals and ribbons. They did the same job, and were ready to go to war if needed. They were fortunate, not having to experience the trauma of warfare. They did, however, show up for the game.

Once a year, on Veteran's Day, I take out my old Navy G-1 flight jacket (fits mighty tight these days) and my USS Saratoga ball cap, with my AC wings, and join the other vets in the parade in our small home town. That one day a year, a Vet isn't permitted to pay for a beer or lunch.... And now, almost 50 years later, the Vietnam Vets are finally getting the recognition and respect they should have gotten over the many years.

To my fellow vets who served in peacetime or in war, thanks for your sacrifice and service.... :salute


Thanks for your service and contribution.  During my 21 years the world was pretty much at peace with no major conflicts or wars.  Proud to have made a minute contribution to the overall effort.   :salute



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Re: stealing valor
« Reply #53 on: August 16, 2014, 02:49:39 PM »
Junky.... your killing me smalls.

The star is senior parachutist... 30 jumps and a jumpmaster.

Wreath is master parachutist... 65 jumps and a jumpmaster.

There are a required number of mass tactical, night, and equipment jumps that are counted within that number.

I had a chance to jump with the pararescue school once.... kinda sketchy. They do streamer passes to determine ground wind speed. I am now a half inch shorter... lol.

Oh yeah, gold stars are for combat jumps. When I was a company commander my bn csm was the only guy on active duty with three. Csm James d. Pippin.

In regard to the picture, I think there is a big difference in young insecure troglodytes trying to find some recognition in life and 65 year old men who do the same thing. The kids just don't know better. Frankly the old guys should.

On the CIB... you could wear lots of badges over the medal of honor. The medal of honor resides at the top of your ribbons. The sections above and below the ribbons are reserved for badges of different categories. To illustrate I have an expert infantryman's badge and a combat action badge (enlisted infantry pre-9-11 engineer officer after 9-11). I cannot wear both at the same time, regardless, they sit above my medals.
Hey I'm Light Infantry, I don't jump out of no stinking plane!!! :D Parachutist, jumpmaster same same (I know they aren't)

Combat badges take precedent over others. So I have CIB and EIB...I can't wear my EIB in my ASUs but I can on my ACUs because the CIB takes precedent in dress uniform
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Re: stealing valor
« Reply #54 on: August 16, 2014, 05:27:17 PM »
I'm not sure it is stealing valor, but it is incredibly stupid and ignorant to prance around like he earned those medals.

It is no different than this (can't even put the CIB on right side up).


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Message aside, it isn't much different than this either.


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Again, ignorance but anyone with any sense can see right through it.
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Re: stealing valor
« Reply #55 on: August 16, 2014, 10:21:26 PM »
Carmen Electra is all I saw  :O
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Re: stealing valor
« Reply #56 on: August 16, 2014, 10:49:10 PM »
John Lennon was given the shirt by a returning soldier from Korea, at an airport in Germany.   
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« Reply #57 on: August 17, 2014, 06:02:34 PM »
John Lennon was given the shirt by a returning soldier from Korea, at an airport in Germany.   

That doesn't mean he earned the right to wear it. Besides, from what I read the shirt had some evidence of Korea on it in regards to patches. This fact makes the entire story stating it was a Vietnam vet very weak.
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Re: stealing valor
« Reply #58 on: August 17, 2014, 06:49:04 PM »
That doesn't mean he earned the right to wear it. Besides, from what I read the shirt had some evidence of Korea on it in regards to patches. This fact makes the entire story stating it was a Vietnam vet very weak.

I never said it was from a Vietnam Vet, but he was from the Korean DMZ.   The soldier sent his Army clothing in the mail to John Lennon, after Lennon gave a veteran/complete his home address.   When I wear my grandfathers USMC tie clip that was issued to him in 1943, I get nothing but compliments from USMC veterans when I tell them who it was from.   

I believe the line is crossed when you pretend to be something that you aren't.   Which is what the mentally ill person in the OP did.    John Lennon wore the shirt and a US Army shirt underneath at MSG.   He wasn't slamming the US Army by wearing either article of clothing, he was wearing both because Sgt. Reinhardt gave them to him.
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« Reply #59 on: August 17, 2014, 07:43:53 PM »
I never said it was from a Vietnam Vet, but he was from the Korean DMZ. 

No, but Lennon did. He wanted to make a bigger statement with the shirt than was originally intended regarding the Vietnam war.

Check this link out.

http://www.feelnumb.com/2010/01/14/john-lennons-famous-army-jacket-patches/

and

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kXCnKfdGOY

Again, he had a message to say and he used this shirt to make it even though the original owner wasn't in Vietnam.

Apologies for bashing Lennon, it is pretty obvious you're fond of him.
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