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Re: DCS: F-86F Sabre -Released
« Reply #15 on: July 28, 2014, 10:09:22 AM »
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Re: DCS: F-86F Sabre -Released
« Reply #16 on: July 28, 2014, 10:10:30 AM »
The only times I upgraded a computer was when I wanted to run a game. If Aces High busts out with an amazing modern terrain ... you bet I'll upgrade!!! I aint going to quit, and no one else will despite what they say  :lol
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Re: DCS: F-86F Sabre -Released
« Reply #17 on: July 28, 2014, 10:25:48 AM »
If Aces High busts out with an amazing modern terrain ... you bet I'll upgrade!!!


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Re: DCS: F-86F Sabre -Released
« Reply #18 on: July 28, 2014, 10:58:28 AM »
The point is that AH graphics engine is very scaleless. It generates very nice graphics on good cards and allows to play on weaker PCs.

Very nice graphics? That's quite an exaggeration. Calling them "mediocre" is being generous.

This is a screenshot from Fighter Ace, which was last updated nearly 10 years ago.



Notice the much higher polygon count in the game engine, higher-res graphics overall, more efficient use of standalone graphics card, I could go on and on. And this is from a now-dead game that was last updated 10 years ago.

In 2002, I was playing that game, FA3, on a laptop with an 8MB (yes, 8MB) video card and an 800Mhz processor. These are screenshots taken while playing on that very system. Note: this is what the game looked like on BARE MINIMUM settings.





More to the point, I can run Battlefield 3 (the last graphics-intensive PC game I purchased) at all High, some Ultra settings with my current video card (AMD 6970 2GB, which was a $500 video card two years ago) at 60FPS. This game, which hasn't been updated for longer than that, maxes out the card at 40-45FPS with all settings on max. There is a severe lack of optimization going on.

I'm not trying to diss this game or its graphics, but the "it would be unplayable for the majority of players" argument can only be used for so long. This game's graphics are absolutely archaic, and the idea of keeping them that way to maintain the playerbase is preposterous. Firstly, there are many games (such as Fighter Ace) that had much better graphics and are more than a decade old, so we know for a fact that it's not a limitation of computing power, even on older systems. Secondly, if so many players here are running machines that are so significantly underpowered that they can't handle something (such as adding clouds to a game, which was tried then removed from the MA due to performance complaints), then the playerbase is virtually irrelevant because the second they're gone (which will happen with eventual required OS and ISP updates), the game is dead.
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Re: DCS: F-86F Sabre -Released
« Reply #19 on: July 28, 2014, 11:14:30 AM »
If your point Skyyr is that great graphics isn't enough to make a game viable, or keep you doors open, you've made it quite well.
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Re: DCS: F-86F Sabre -Released
« Reply #20 on: July 28, 2014, 11:58:00 AM »
Skyyr, some of your assumptions are a bit off I'm afraid. Most of the AH player base have old computers simply because they are not much of a gamers. It is not that they cannot afford it, quite the opposite - much of the player population is in they 30s and up. For many upgrading their computer to play just one game seems unjustified.

In the old days when I did everything from the desktop computer such upgrades were more easily justified. Now with the smart phones pads and laptops we barely touch the desktop at home. I even have windows installed just to playAH - every other task I do under Linux as I've been doing for 14 years. I play AH on a 14" laptop because that is the only machine I have that can run it. To get a capable desktop means shelling around 1000$ just to play AH, there is no other justification for me unless I define it as a gaming rig for the kids - but they prefer to play on smartphone/tablets (under 6).

By the way, those screenshots do not look that good at all. AH looks better. I am sure that if you flew close to the ground that game looked horrible.
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Re: DCS: F-86F Sabre -Released
« Reply #21 on: July 28, 2014, 12:00:32 PM »
Now about DCS - is it an offline thing or multiplayer?
How good is the campaign?
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Re: DCS: F-86F Sabre -Released
« Reply #22 on: July 28, 2014, 12:02:11 PM »
By the way, those screenshots do not look that good at all. AH looks better. I am sure that if you flew close to the ground that game looked horrible.

That was on an 8MB video card with bare-minimum settings. Not that AH would even boot up with a video card that small, but if it could, I guarantee you it wouldn't look that good.

I can post some 1080p, max-video settings screenshots if you'd like. They are head and shoulders above AH's graphics.

This isn't about FA though, it's about how graphics-optimization has relatively little to do with $1000 gaming computers.
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Re: DCS: F-86F Sabre -Released
« Reply #23 on: July 28, 2014, 12:04:33 PM »
Now about DCS - is it an offline thing or multiplayer?
How good is the campaign?
I hate fly around and look at myself Sims.

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/world/


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