August 2014 FSO - "Battle Of Britain - August 1940"

[Bino]

The August FSO is posted on the AH Events site:  http://www.ahevents.org/fso-current-next-event.html

Squad CO's please update your side preference and numbers, as needed.  The side assignments will be made late this week.

Thanks!   

[puller]

Awesome...looking forward to it...

[captain1ma]

whats the date for the first frame? its not this friday right?

[DubiousKB]

Looks to be August 8th - Frame 1,  August 15th - Frame 2, and August 22nd - Frame 3.

I see this is a no-walk on event. If my squad isn't part of FSO, is there an allied squad willing to take me on for the last frame? I flew in the BoB last august as a hurricane and had a blast! 

[Bino]

August Special Events Calendar here:

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?action=calendar;year=2014;month=8

[Nefarious]

Looks to be August 8th - Frame 1,  August 15th - Frame 2, and August 22nd - Frame 3.

I see this is a no-walk on event. If my squad isn't part of FSO, is there an allied squad willing to take me on for the last frame? I flew in the BoB last august as a hurricane and had a blast! 

I requested allies, you are more than welcome to join us.

[Zoney]

Looks to be August 8th - Frame 1,  August 15th - Frame 2, and August 22nd - Frame 3.

I see this is a no-walk on event. If my squad isn't part of FSO, is there an allied squad willing to take me on for the last frame? I flew in the BoB last august as a hurricane and had a blast! 

I suggest you register your squad so you can participate as a squad.  FSO's are great fun.  Grab your squadmates and come join us.

[Nefarious]

I suggest you register your squad so you can participate as a squad.  FSO's are great fun.  Grab your squadmates and come join us.

+1

[ImADot]

I see this is a no-walk on event. If my squad isn't part of FSO, is there an allied squad willing to take me on for the last frame? I flew in the BoB last august as a hurricane and had a blast! 

I suggest creating a new thread here in the FSO forum to ask for a guest spot on a registered squad. I'm sure you will have many invites to consider. Squad affiliation in the Special Events arenas do not interfere with any Main Arena squad affiliation.

[Viper61]

325th VFG updated and ready to fly ALLIED

The BOB scenario's are probably the finest scenario in all of the FSO.  I wait patiently all year for this scenario.  Cant wait!!!  I sincerely hope that major adjustments have been made from the last time we ran this scenario.  The AXIS wipeout the ALLIES in 3 straight frames and the fun factor sucked.  So put it back the way it use to be please.

And I still remember "The Bug's" AXIS plan in which he put the entire AXIS side into JU-88 formations for his Frame 3 and they attacked London in 3 waves.  Still the most magnificent formation of bombers ever seen in the FSO.  Nearly 100 pilots in all in formations coming in 3 waves spread out by 5-7 minutes each.  Without a doubt the hardest formation of bombers I ever attacked.  Nearly all of the ALLIED fighters got ripped apart and the AXIS lost about 50% of their bombers.  What a fight!!!!

Don't forget to allow that 12 gun Hurri into the mix this time

[Bino]

325th VFG updated and ready to fly ALLIED

The BOB scenario's are probably the finest scenario in all of the FSO.  I wait patiently all year for this scenario.  Cant wait!!!  I sincerely hope that major adjustments have been made from the last time we ran this scenario.  The AXIS wipeout the ALLIES in 3 straight frames and the fun factor sucked.  So put it back the way it use to be please.

And I still remember "The Bug's" AXIS plan in which he put the entire AXIS side into JU-88 formations for his Frame 3 and they attacked London in 3 waves.  Still the most magnificent formation of bombers ever seen in the FSO.  Nearly 100 pilots in all in formations coming in 3 waves spread out by 5-7 minutes each.  Without a doubt the hardest formation of bombers I ever attacked.  Nearly all of the ALLIED fighters got ripped apart and the AXIS lost about 50% of their bombers.  What a fight!!!!

Don't forget to allow that 12 gun Hurri into the mix this time

Hi Viper,

Glad you enjoy BoB, sir!

According to what I've read, the Hurricane Mk.IIa was not put into service until September 1940, and the prototype 12-gun Mk.IIb wasn't even built until October.  Sorry. 

The chief differences of this run of the setup from last year's run are 1.) a 45/55 side split instead of 40/60, and 2.) RAF scoring points for ground targets not hit.

We'll see if it works out to be a more even fight this year.   

[Shrike]

The AK's have our preferences updated.

[Viper61]

Dr. Bino:

  No I'm hoping for the best and like the rest of the guys the closer the sides are and the longer the fights the more the guys like it.  I was ALLIED last scenario and I don't remember the points end of it.  What I do remember was the AXIS winning nearly every air engagement over each target area.  And over all the AXIS crushed, not beat but crushed the ALLIES 3 frames in a row.  So hoping your side split works and tweaks if needed are done as we go.

  Any reason why we cant use fewer targets?  The problem is more targets is that a defender really has a disadvantage in that he cant put scouts out or really have any plan other than stay in close and wait for the attack.  For the attacker he can still conduct a fighter sweep just ahead of his bombers.  With the attendance currently 3 targets would be a more fun scenario in my opinion.  Larger forces for both sides allowing for scouts, deception, sweeps etc.

  Apprecate the BoB setup very much and would like to fly this twice a year if we could.  Its one of the most even plane to plane setups.

[Bino]

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  Any reason why we cant use fewer targets?  The problem is more targets is that a defender really has a disadvantage in that he cant put scouts out or really have any plan other than stay in close and wait for the attack.  For the attacker he can still conduct a fighter sweep just ahead of his bombers.  With the attendance currently 3 targets would be a more fun scenario in my opinion.  Larger forces for both sides allowing for scouts, deception, sweeps etc.
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Actually, last year this setup used seven targets. This year we'll have five targets. With up to 371 pilots if every squad hits it's current maximum commitment, that averages out to just over seventy-four pilots in the fight at each target.  And some of those pilots will have drones along, too. 

[Viper61]

Dr. Bino:

  Frame 01 is now in the history books and it played out as a cake walk and nearly complete defeat for the ALLIED side.  I went through the logs for an "unofficial" count and my fuzzy math looks like this:

     AXIS gained about 1059 points
     ALLIES gained about 652 points

     What I am missing is the non destroyed targets that would count for the ALLIES.  However it wont be very much at all.  Counting up the hangers and secondaries (the real points) the AXIS nearly completely destroyed all 5 targets down to the last door hinge.  At best there might be 100 more points to the ALLIES but I am doubtful.

  The real telling fact was at just before H+60 the ALLIES were down to only 22 planes in the air.  While the AXIS had 79 (when I glanced at it).

  The BOB scenario isn't much fun if your ALLIED plain and simple.  This makes the 4th BOB frame in a row (3 last year all AXIS wins plus this one) in which the AXIS wiped out the ALLIES.  I recommended changes last year and I am recommending them again this year.  I don't like to lose any more than anyone else.  I don't find the game fun to be wiped out.  Changes I would recommend:

       Drop from 5 targets to 4 or even 3.  This will produce larger fights and with fewer targets the ALLIES can put out scouts which should allow the ALLIES to vector to the targets.  Currently the ALLIES really don't have enough strength in any target sector to put out scouts.  Or at least be able to plan a defense of other than "There ain't many of us.  All stay in the radar ring and wait to get hit".

       Realism and historically accuracy aside - Move the targets further inland.  ALLIED A46 being 25 miles from France is a joke.  Same target was used last year and it wiped out.  Same again this year.  When I say wiped out I mean not a single target left standing.  If this target were further west probably wouldn't have happened or at least the AXIS would have to work for it and just give them a free base.  Force the AXIS to fly through 2 or 3 radar rings to get to a target.

       Adjust the side balance to 50/50 - If don't care to shift squads I understand.  Then force more AXIS into bombers to achieve the 50/50 balance.

  Make some very course adjustments please.  Frame 01 was a total crushing defeat for the ALLIES.  Even if you shifted to far and the AXIS got wiped out in Frame 02 it would be a dead heat going into Frame 3.  And most importantly you would know where the balance point probably is.

  Dr. Bino not easy doing your job and the pay is bad too    Appreciate what you and the other guys do.  Just requesting to take a fair and honest look at this.  And if I am way off in my point values or AC ratio's above let me know.