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Offline FLS

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Re: Trakir
« Reply #15 on: August 01, 2014, 12:06:49 AM »
This is my rear view with TrackIR.


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Re: Trakir
« Reply #16 on: August 01, 2014, 12:33:26 AM »
If you do you'll ranking higher than you do now!   :devil
My fighter rank, just looked it up, is 1517. Of course I only have 10 kills in fighter, it being my good luck/superstitious habit to fly every sortie scored as "attack" in any plane that will let you score it that way. Fighter rank is not particularly important to me, solving the ACM problems I encounter as effectively as possible is. This is an important distinction. There are also important distinctions to be made between the sort of player who shuns risky  engagements because it might impact their score and thus rank high, and players on the other end who think the statement "I don't care about score" refutes clear statistical demonstration that they aren't flying fighter particularly effectively. There is a happy medium in between these two extremes.
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Re: Trakir
« Reply #17 on: August 01, 2014, 07:02:57 AM »
Rear view is correlative to your heads position. So your 6 view is relative to where your head seems to be in the cockpit.

So when you sit in your cockpit, standard forward view, pause TrackIr. Use the Arrow keys to move forward/backwards till you feel comfy regarding gunsight, cockpit and so on.

Hit F10 when sure this is it. Try to remain your head dead still. Reenable TrackIr and RESET your position. Now your head in game is matched to the saved setting. I believe your 6 view will improve dramatically.

Send me an email ( in my profile ) and I send you my TrackIr profile. I don't say it's perfect but it's a good base to start from. I can see my whole tail if I need, even my right elevator looking over my left shoulder  :devil

Remember, TrackIr is a very personal device! It takes time to work well for anyone.  :old:




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Re: Trakir
« Reply #18 on: August 01, 2014, 10:00:49 AM »
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Just to give you an idea of what I'm dealing with. The above is an approximation of my standard rear view using the hat switch. It's set by moving the view back away from the seat, and then raising the view as high in the cockpit as I can go.

With Trakir, all I can do is get a peek around the back frame, and that is far less optimal than the view I am used to. Worse than that, the views from the rear angle are unstable and I often find myself looking at the weirdest angles while someone shoots me down. I really like Trakir for just about everything, but I can't deal with not having that view of my six.

My solution is to set the X axis very aggressively.  I move my head less than 2 inches to get full movement to the outside of the cockpit.  Then I've just gotten into the habit of when I want to look out the rear of a navy plane, I look 90 degrees to the left, then shift my head sideways to the right to get my head position to the front of the cockpit, then turn my head a bit further to the left to look out the rear.  Or vice versa if I want to check the other side.

It sounds worse than it is, it's second nature for me now and didn't take that long to get used to.  Also my head is set up as high as I can get it and still see the gunsight in the navy stuff.

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Re: Trakir
« Reply #19 on: August 01, 2014, 12:14:28 PM »
I'm no TrackIR expert and I had the same complaint up until last month when one of the guys in VF-17 told me to try unchecking the X,Y and Z coordinates in TrackIR.  Bingo...immediately I had the same rear views I have with my hatswitch and now I love TrackIR.  I did some other little tweaky things, but basically I use the default TrackIR settings other than the tip above.

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Re: Trakir
« Reply #20 on: August 01, 2014, 02:55:33 PM »
The problem is TrackIr is so powerful, new people get fixated on one way of doing it but as you see, each one of us with a successful Trackir program experimented till we found our own answer.  Make sure you try all the Trackir display options.  The moving 3D head is super cool.

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Re: Trakir
« Reply #21 on: August 01, 2014, 03:12:17 PM »
The problem is TrackIr is so powerful, new people get fixated on one way of doing it but as you see, each one of us with a successful Trackir program experimented till we found our own answer.  Make sure you try all the Trackir display options.  The moving 3D head is super cool.

It really is the most personal thing I've found in this game, way moreso than how you've got your buttons on your stick configured.  It really needs fiddling with until you get it exactly how you want it.  Everybody's situation is different too.  Some people have relatively shallow curves.  My upper body is immobilized in my chair, so I need them all set aggressively because my head only really moves a couple inches at most.

I really wish HTC would allow 6DOF to work with the saved head positions as their home point if you hit the hat, because in the F6F, F4F, and FM2 I really can get a superior six view with the hat, but I can get pretty close to the same view with what I described above, just not quite as stable.

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Re: Trakir
« Reply #22 on: August 01, 2014, 04:31:03 PM »
My fighter rank, just looked it up, is 1517. Of course I only have 10 kills in fighter, it being my good luck/superstitious habit to fly every sortie scored as "attack" in any plane that will let you score it that way. Fighter rank is not particularly important to me, solving the ACM problems I encounter as effectively as possible is. This is an important distinction. There are also important distinctions to be made between the sort of player who shuns risky  engagements because it might impact their score and thus rank high, and players on the other end who think the statement "I don't care about score" refutes clear statistical demonstration that they aren't flying fighter particularly effectively. There is a happy medium in between these two extremes.

Wow that's a pretty big paragraph to comment on my little joke.

As an bonafide "fighter" guy who abhors any kind of "mudmoving" why would you score ANYTHING under anything BUT fighter?  :rolleyes:

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Re: Trakir
« Reply #23 on: August 01, 2014, 04:45:25 PM »
This is my rear view with TrackIR.



Could you post your settings? that would be very helpful.


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Re: Trakir
« Reply #24 on: August 01, 2014, 05:57:05 PM »
did some more fiddling and I think I've resolved the issue! Thank you all for your suggestions!


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Re: Trakir
« Reply #25 on: August 08, 2014, 09:49:19 AM »
As an bonafide "fighter" guy who abhors any kind of "mudmoving" why would you score ANYTHING under anything BUT fighter?  :rolleyes:
Because luck! No matter how many good sorties I have logged under "attack", if I click over to "fighter" the AH gods will immediately send me a series of rotten sorties. I discovered this law of the universe long ago as a new player. Do I actually believe in this as literal truth? No, but I don't NOT believe in it either....  :noid and such psychological factors do have an effect on human performance.
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Re: Trakir
« Reply #26 on: August 08, 2014, 11:11:29 AM »
Because luck! No matter how many good sorties I have logged under "attack", if I click over to "fighter" the AH gods will immediately send me a series of rotten sorties. I discovered this law of the universe long ago as a new player. Do I actually believe in this as literal truth? No, but I don't NOT believe in it either....  :noid and such psychological factors do have an effect on human performance.

....only for the weak minded.  :D

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Re: Trakir
« Reply #27 on: August 08, 2014, 11:21:48 AM »
Because luck! No matter how many good sorties I have logged under "attack", if I click over to "fighter" the AH gods will immediately send me a series of rotten sorties. I discovered this law of the universe long ago as a new player. Do I actually believe in this as literal truth? No, but I don't NOT believe in it either....  :noid and such psychological factors do have an effect on human performance.

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Re: Trakir
« Reply #28 on: August 08, 2014, 11:44:17 PM »
....only for the weak minded.  :D
True enough, a guy who loses his lucky socks or the like may go into a slump...for awhile. But usually the consciously-known absurdity of such a belief will eventually sink into the unconscious mind and then disappear entirely.

Other psychological conditions present greater impediments to progress and performance. For instance, the guy who is continually blaming others for outcomes on the field he doesn't like is essentially saying he doesn't believe he has any power to effect things himself, he is mentally handing all the power to others. Continuous, not-very-logical complaints about how others are "preventing" this individual's success, perhaps "ruining the game for them", combined with a low-mediocre "batting average" as it were, these are almost certain signs that the condition is present. Unfortunately, it is very difficult to cure, these sorts act almost as if the "bad people" supposedly afflicting everything have god-like powers they can do nothing to counter, and they can hardly be talked out of this twisted but very fervent "faith". This signifies a psyche that, at its core, feels very powerless in the world indeed. :devil
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Re: Trakir
« Reply #29 on: August 09, 2014, 09:05:58 AM »
True enough, a guy who loses his lucky socks or the like may go into a slump...for awhile. But usually the consciously-known absurdity of such a belief will eventually sink into the unconscious mind and then disappear entirely.

Other psychological conditions present greater impediments to progress and performance. For instance, the guy who is continually blaming others for outcomes on the field he doesn't like is essentially saying he doesn't believe he has any power to effect things himself, he is mentally handing all the power to others. Continuous, not-very-logical complaints about how others are "preventing" this individual's success, perhaps "ruining the game for them", combined with a low-mediocre "batting average" as it were, these are almost certain signs that the condition is present. Unfortunately, it is very difficult to cure, these sorts act almost as if the "bad people" supposedly afflicting everything have god-like powers they can do nothing to counter, and they can hardly be talked out of this twisted but very fervent "faith". This signifies a psyche that, at its core, feels very powerless in the world indeed. :devil


ya, all I got out of that was blah, blah, blah.