Ebola coming to a town near you.

[Coalcat1]

Skuzzy, please lock this, the nutcases are out.

Hi 

[Copprhed]

The idea that there are AMERICANS who would abandon other AMERICANS, when those same people would be incredibly up in arms if it were a soldier being abandoned, is beyond heinous. These doctors deserve every bit as much, and in the eyes of God are probably MORE deserving. ( Admittedly stolen from a speech by the Ghost of Christmas Past for Dickens' A Christmas Carol) The risks involved surely have been considered by the CDC, and ignorant blather about fictional books is no excuse for the type of inhumanity that is being advocated in this thread. Sometimes it's really difficult to wrap my head around the concept that there are actually people who are like this.

[Slate]

The idea that there are AMERICANS who would abandon other AMERICANS, when those same people would be incredibly up in arms if it were a soldier being abandoned, is beyond heinous. These doctors deserve every bit as much, and in the eyes of God are probably MORE deserving. ( Admittedly stolen from a speech by the Ghost of Christmas Past for Dickens' A Christmas Carol) The risks involved surely have been considered by the CDC, and ignorant blather about fictional books is no excuse for the type of inhumanity that is being advocated in this thread. Sometimes it's really difficult to wrap my head around the concept that there are actually people who are like this.

    Who says to abandon them to their fate? We can't set up the same medical facilities in Africa? There are more patients to study there including the 10% who survived the disease. Yes they are being brought over because their fellow Doctors are bias. Some people are deserving and some aren't is what I hear you say.
 

[Skuzzy]

This is looking more and more like a train wreck and not a discussion.

[Copprhed]

    Who says to abandon them to their fate? We can't set up the same medical facilities in Africa? There are more patients to study there including the 10% who survived the disease. Yes they are being brought over because their fellow Doctors are bias. Some people are deserving and some aren't is what I hear you say.
 

You would absolutely have a different opinion if it were your father or mother or brother or child.

[colmbo]

It's no more contagious than the aids virus, so that's a crock. You have to physically contact BODILY FLUIDS with a cut to contract it. Fear is no excuse to deny the best help possible for those who risk all to help others. Denying them help is frankly, inhuman.

Not exact.   It also spread through mucous membrane and broken skin.  If an infected person coughs or sneezes you can be infected by inhaling droplets which are absorbed through the mucous membranes in your nose or mouth.

[wpeters]

Not exact.   It also spread through mucous membrane and broken skin.  If an infected person coughs or sneezes you can be infected by inhaling droplets which are absorbed through the mucous membranes in your nose or mouth.

That is true but also remember North America is very inhospitable to that disease. I trust that bring these Ebola victims to the USA is being taken care of with highest level of precaution.  Besides the Center of Diesease Control get these type of disease and other plagues mailed to them in the mail( tubes of contaminated blood)

[Serenity]

You would absolutely have a different opinion if it were your father or mother or brother or child.

I understand what you're saying, and I agree with you, these people should NOT be left out in the cold, by any means, and if the only way to care for them is to bring them here, we should certainly do so.

But as Slate said, have we looked into building medical facilities in Africa? That might actually be more beneficial to treat them there, so we can also study the survivors of the disease.

[Yankee67]

There has already been an outbreak on American soil.  Google "Reston's Hot Zone - 20 Years later."  Scientific journal article recounting the 3 month ebola outbreak in Reston, Virginia.  Recounts the true story of how the ebola virus mutated into a new virulent form and broke out of containment at a medical testing facility in an industrial park in suburban Virginia.  The government came in and had to cook the entire building with formaldehyde vapor for three days to kill it.  The mutated virus was given a new name - Ebola Reston.

http://ispub.com/IJPRM/2/1/12768

And guess what they built on the property after they demolished the quarantine facility that had the ebola outbreak:  a day care center.   

[Cremator]

Two quarantined ebola patients is nothing compared to the diseased illegals being allowed to come across our southern boarder.

Excellent point. It all goes back to my smoke an mirrors statement. "Hey yall look over here while this goes on over there." The questions should be, what is the motive behind the scare? Whose agenda does it fit?


This has nothing to do with duck hunting so therefore I can be of no more benefit to this thread.

[Volron]

I cannot comment on any of this.  I don't want the risk of being ruled anything.

This is looking more and more like a train wreck and not a discussion.

Then +1 to post count, AND:




 

[Bodhi]

I think it is best that these patients stay outside the US.  That does not mean abandoning them, but the disease is uncontrollable with a 90+% mortality rate.  Dr. Margaret Chan of the WHO has said, "This outbreak is moving faster than our efforts to control it.  If the situation continues to deteriorate, the consequences can be catastrophic in terms of lost lives but also severe socioeconomic disruption and a high risk of spread to other countries."

Further, Dr. Tom Frieden of the CDC admits there is an effective treatment.  "We do not have effective treatment or vaccine for Ebola. There is no proven treatment. There is no proven vaccine. There is not likely to be one for at least a year, even in the best case scenario. We are not going to treat or vaccinate our way out of these outbreaks. We are going to use the traditional means that work of case identification, isolation, contact tracing, health communication, good meticulous management. That's what has stopped every Ebola outbreak that's ever happened before. That's what will stop this Ebola outbreak."

Now, I do not support abandoning these people, but bringing them here where it is not 100% certain that the disease can be contained is simply a risk we do not need.  Send Doctors there, especially considering the deadly nature.

[Zoney]

Patients will not stay out of the United States.  They are going to come here because they want the best medical treatment they can get and it is right here.  If you do not let them come in illegally they will come in illegally and without the safeguards you can have in place if they are coming in legally.  Also, these doctors and others that are risking everything to help them surely knew that they would be able to return to the US if they got infected.  Who will go to help those that need it if you know you won't be allowed back?  If there is no one going to help those infected, the contagion will absolutely spread until it kills everyone it can.  You have to stop it now while you still can.

[mbailey]

CDC has it covered.  Bring them home.....now

[Slate]

CDC has it covered.