Ebola coming to a town near you.

[guncrasher]

When you increase a barrier to entry, you get fewer people entering.  For example, eliminating flights from Liberia would result in a significant reduction in number of Liberians travelling to the US.

However, if we were going to do that, it is trivially simple to ban travel into the US for people with Liberian passports regardless of where they originate.

Of course, currently, the simplest way around any restriction is to fly to Mexico and walk in with the rest of the 20,000 people per month doing that.

want the person in texas a us citizen?


semp

[Rob52240]

want the person in texas a us citizen?


No, Liberian national who came on a tourist's visa to marry his girlfriend.

semp

[MrRiplEy[H]]

want the person in texas a us citizen?


semp

Would it make any difference? If you have Ebola you don't travel, period. The man put everyone in the plane and at the international airports he visited to deadly risk.

[GScholz]

I wonder if the US authorities have the legal right to refuse entry and prevent a US citizen from returning home?

[Brooke]

I wonder if the US authorities have the legal right to refuse entry and prevent a US citizen from returning home?

In this case, it isn't relevant, as he is a Liberian visitor, not an American.

However, in the case of certain diseases, you can be refused travel.  That is true even of non-disease issues (such as cancelling flights into the US as a result of 9/11).  So, if you got Ebola in Liberia and were just a normal citizen (not a politician, or a member of some religious group that will spend a million dollars on you, or an employee of a news agency that would get crucified in the media if they didn't get you back into the US for treatment -- or aren't part of any other special network that will provide you with a private jet and a biohazard team), you'd be stuck.

The only case where it would be a question is if a US citizen is bleeding from his orifices and wants to walk across the border at some point where they actually have border protocols (a Canadian checkpoint, say).  I'm not sure if you can be precluded from entry, but my guess is that for those cases (which are so rare as to be hypothetical), you'd be held there until a biohazard medical team shows up.  You can certainly be held at the checkpoint if you are suspected of various other things (carrying too much cash, having precluded food items, etc.).

[MrRiplEy[H]]

I wonder if the US authorities have the legal right to refuse entry and prevent a US citizen from returning home?

Why not? It's not like a single citizens rights weigh anything against potential death of thousands or more.

[GScholz]

Individual citizens' rights weigh quite heavily in the US... (As they should.)

[Arlo]

Why not? It's not like a single citizens rights weigh anything against potential death of thousands or more.

"Thomas Eric Duncan left Monrovia, Liberia, on Sept. 19 aboard a Brussels Airlines jet to the Belgian capital, according to a Belgian official. After layover of nearly seven hours, he boarded United Airlines Flight 951 to Dulles International Airport near Washington, D.C. After another layover of nearly three hours, he then flew Flight 822 from Dulles to Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport, the airline confirmed."

He had no symptoms en-route.

He would be refused entry on what grounds? His ticket origin? What if he only has his United Airlines boarding pass/ticket stub (likely)?

[Rob52240]

He was travelling on a Liberian passport/visa.

It is easier to restrict the individual rights of foreign nationals in the US than it is regarding US citizens.

Foreigners have already lost their 2nd amendment rights unless they get a green card.

[Arlo]

He was travelling on a Liberian passport/visa.

It is easier to restrict the individual rights of foreign nationals in the US than it is regarding US citizens.

Foreigners have already lost their 2nd amendment rights unless they get a green card.

The right to keep and bear arms?

[Rich46yo]

ok so they fly to another country that flies into the usa.  us citizens arent allowed to fly to cuba but many do thru other countries.



semp

For the price of a plane ticket you can get far,far better medical care for free then you can anywhere in Africa. Got symptoms? Been exposed? Then just fly here. People who are looking death in the eye can do desperate things. I work at an airport, a huge one and often at the International terminal. The place would make a germophobe run screaming. Its very common for ambulances to have to meet flights at the gate for sick passengers. On occasion they die on the flight and we have to pick up the body when they land. Who knows what they had?

What scares is this thing is like the equivalent of smallpox in the middle ages. There is no real treatment or vaccine. And if there is any screening of incoming passengers Ive yet to see it. A customs agent is not a Doctor. Unless your a US citizen we shouldnt allow anyone with Liberia or any of these affected countries, that have travel there anywhere on their manifest, into the country.

Ordinary transmission is bad enough. The virus going airborne would be catastrophic. And even if it doesnt just wait until the "72 virgins" crowd gets ahold of some infected fluids and starts wiping it on faucets at American airports.

[MrRiplEy[H]]

"Thomas Eric Duncan left Monrovia, Liberia, on Sept. 19 aboard a Brussels Airlines jet to the Belgian capital, according to a Belgian official. After layover of nearly seven hours, he boarded United Airlines Flight 951 to Dulles International Airport near Washington, D.C. After another layover of nearly three hours, he then flew Flight 822 from Dulles to Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport, the airline confirmed."

He had no symptoms en-route.

He would be refused entry on what grounds? His ticket origin? What if he only has his United Airlines boarding pass/ticket stub (likely)?

The situation being what it is and the incubation time of Ebola being 2-3 weeks it would be highly advisable to quarantine anyone traveling from that area for the duration. It's a matter of national security if anything. Of course if your officials like the idea of having to deal with Ebola infestation within your borders and in the large cities it's a whole another issue lol. It will reduce the population effectively - there's not enough medicine for 100 victims let alone 100 000.

The worst case scenario was predicted in the Hong Kong classic movie 'Ebola syndrome' where a patient zero was a resilient carrier - he carried Ebola and spread it while being himself immune to it. The movie itself is very gory and (if you like that stuff, fun) so viewer discretion is advised if you look the movie up lol.

[Serenity]

"At least one passenger exhibiting flu-like symptoms and believed to be from Liberia was removed Saturday from a United Airlines plane at New Jersey's Newark International Airport by medical personnel in hazmat suits.

Passengers and crew on board Flight 998 were instructed to remain inside the plane while the sick passenger, a 35-year-old man, and a young girl were removed, Port Authority officials told Fox News.

Passengers were questioned by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, while than man and the girl were taken to a local hospital.. United Airlines said it is working with authorities to accommodate its passengers.

"The crew reported that a person was vomiting, and that Liberians were aboard the plane," a law enforcement source told The New York Post. "The person throwing up is believed to be Liberian."

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2014/10/04/sick-passenger-removed-from-united-flight-by-medical-personnel-in-hazmat-suits/ "

-Quoted from another forum

[Arlo]

"At least one passenger exhibiting flu-like symptoms and believed to be from Liberia was removed Saturday from a United Airlines plane at New Jersey's Newark International Airport by medical personnel in hazmat suits.

Passengers and crew on board Flight 998 were instructed to remain inside the plane while the sick passenger, a 35-year-old man, and a young girl were removed, Port Authority officials told Fox News.

Passengers were questioned by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, while than man and the girl were taken to a local hospital.. United Airlines said it is working with authorities to accommodate its passengers.

"The crew reported that a person was vomiting, and that Liberians were aboard the plane," a law enforcement source told The New York Post. "The person throwing up is believed to be Liberian."

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2014/10/04/sick-passenger-removed-from-united-flight-by-medical-personnel-in-hazmat-suits/ "

-Quoted from another forum

United Airlines, proud sponsor of global ebola. This has to be a PR nightmare. Not that the PR part is the real tragedy.

[Rich46yo]

http://www.libertynews.com/2014/10/breaking-the-real-truth-about-dallas-ebola-patient-zero-may-be-unravelling-and-its-not-pretty-bombshell-report/

A former chauffeur uses his head and when he finds out he's been infected leaves his shack in Liberia and fly's to the Land of the dumb where he knows even a Bum can get better free health care then the richest person in Liberia, "or probably any other place in Africa".

The guy knew he had it and he probably blew his lifes savings on his one shot for Zmapp and life. This is the real problem for developed countries here. The fact that there IS an incubation period. If you handled or had relations with someone sick of it in Africa you know your a dead man, or woman, walking cause nobody is going to help you, what with an almost nonexistant health care system. So you take your one shot to live and fly to America, or England, or Germany. Anywhere your passport will take you with enough dough to last you three weeks. Thats what this guy did and look at the stir he caused.

Im not saying dont help these people Im just saying help them over there. We need a total travel ban from affected countries, most of all for non-citizens. Its only a matter of time before Europe gets banged by Ebola. They have much stronger ties to Africa cause they robbed the place for centuries and I bet they put travel bans in place.

This is no joke. With every new infection the virus mutates and these INTL airports are just plain germ factories. We've caught them washing their feet in the sinks, pee'ing in the sinks, or wiping their bums and throwing the paper on the floor of the stall. I wont even use a public restroom in one.

Last night I found myself pondering this Dallas Ebola situation and ended up puzzled over it all. You see, Thomas Duncan, the man who came from West Africa with Ebola, had to have known he was likely carrying the virus. A few days before Duncan boarded a last minute flight to Dallas he had personally handled a pregnant friend while trying to get her to an Ebola treatment facility in West Africa. He and another friend helped her into a taxi, took her to the facility and they were turned away due to the facility not having room for new patients.

When the group returned to the woman’s apartment, Duncan and another friend carried her back inside. Unfortunately, the pregnant woman dies that evening.

Under those circumstances, I fail to see how Duncan didn’t know he was very likely to have contracted Ebola. Whether or not he purchased the flight that day or after is yet to be known. The claim out there is that he decided to pay a last minute visit to his girlfriend and other family in Dallas, Texas.

For further thought on this, take everything above into consideration and then ponder this. Duncan handled a friend who had Ebola, she died that night, he boarded a flight a few days later and then found himself sick. He then visited a hospital in Dallas, informed the facility that he had traveled from West Africa, was given antibiotics and was sent home. How could he have possibly not believed he had Ebola when he first went to the hospital? Any level-headed human should be able to add that 2+2 scenario together and get 4.
- See more at: http://www.libertynews.com/2014/10/breaking-the-real-truth-about-dallas-ebola-patient-zero-may-be-unravelling-and-its-not-pretty-bombshell-report/#sthash.Ta73SOPF.dpuf