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Offline Hap

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Re: Ebola coming to a town near you.
« Reply #405 on: October 19, 2014, 12:30:40 PM »
Good news: gal on the cruise ship health is clean  :aok

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Re: Ebola coming to a town near you.
« Reply #406 on: October 19, 2014, 02:22:20 PM »
I think it's interesting that they are enforcing travel restrictions on US health-care workers who have been near someone with Ebola, but they don't have travel restrictions for non-US citizens from Ebola-epidemic areas.

The current people in charge either are inexcusably inept or have an agenda other than welfare of the nation.

I hope that people aren't foolish enough to botch the fix for this next month.  Hint to you, Kansas (among others).

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Re: Ebola coming to a town near you.
« Reply #407 on: October 19, 2014, 02:26:04 PM »
Is it the end of the world yet?

Has North Korea invaded again?

Is U2 still poo? and mega rich?

Is the US always right still?

No.

Yes (but it's still secret).

No yes.

Which part of the US?

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« Reply #409 on: October 19, 2014, 04:29:50 PM »
Social distancing is the best defense against an outbreak, but that was perhaps a bit of an overreaction.
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Re: Ebola coming to a town near you.
« Reply #410 on: October 19, 2014, 05:30:49 PM »
I think it's interesting that they are enforcing travel restrictions on US health-care workers who have been near someone with Ebola, but they don't have travel restrictions for non-US citizens from Ebola-epidemic areas.

The current people in charge either are inexcusably inept or have an agenda other than welfare of the nation.

I hope that people aren't foolish enough to botch the fix for this next month.  Hint to you, Kansas (among others).
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Re: Ebola coming to a town near you.
« Reply #411 on: October 19, 2014, 07:47:52 PM »
I remember this article about famine , published last month in National Geographic, the map shows West Africa, Liberia and Ivory Coast as top unnourished places; weak undernourished bodies can't fight diseases;

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/09/140916-world-hunger-malnourishment-security-ngfood/


This photo blew my mind,powerful; comes on my mind every time I fill up my truck and I see the green B15-B20 sticker on the pump;

"A woman sits with a pot of dried mud cookies—a local dish made of dirt, salt, and vegetable shortening....".




And from last week article ,we are wasting 1/3  of the food we buy;

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/10/141013-food-waste-national-security-environment-science-ngfood/
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Re: Ebola coming to a town near you.
« Reply #412 on: October 19, 2014, 10:23:32 PM »
Wrong about what?

Yeah, what is he talking about? Jeez, no I'll be totally pissed if the outbreak "burns out" and none of us die. In fact I'll be so pissed I'll never talk to him again. :huh And then I'll "man up" and say Im sorry for not reciting the best case scenario, "which is what exactly "?

Thing is we have bad track records with taking viruses seriously. Millions died cause the '80s crew crew decided Gays with AIDs weren't worth the trouble cause they were all sinners. Now this guy likes to bury his head in the sand whenever something doesn't fit his agenda or looks bad for his track record in Africa.

Back in the '80s I was in the front line of AIDs too. This is when we were hauling bodies in wagons with no protective gear of any kind. Young men who died when they shouldnt have with a disease nobody understood, that we couldnt keep up with. So what exactly in our historical track record would make me believe in a "best case scenario"?
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Re: Ebola coming to a town near you.
« Reply #413 on: October 19, 2014, 11:16:10 PM »
I remember this article about famine , published last month in National Geographic, the map shows West Africa, Liberia and Ivory Coast as top unnourished places; weak undernourished bodies can't fight diseases;

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/09/140916-world-hunger-malnourishment-security-ngfood/


This photo blew my mind,powerful; comes on my mind every time I fill up my truck and I see the green B15-B20 sticker on the pump;

"A woman sits with a pot of dried mud cookies—a local dish made of dirt, salt, and vegetable shortening....".

(Image removed from quote.)


And from last week article ,we are wasting 1/3  of the food we buy;

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/10/141013-food-waste-national-security-environment-science-ngfood/


This has nothing to do with the outbreak. The famine is a direct consequence of the irresponsible politics run by the affected countries. They brought it up on themselves.
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Re: Ebola coming to a town near you.
« Reply #414 on: October 20, 2014, 12:22:19 AM »
This has nothing to do with the outbreak. The famine is a direct consequence of the irresponsible politics run by the affected countries. They brought it up on themselves.
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Re: Ebola coming to a town near you.
« Reply #415 on: October 20, 2014, 01:33:13 AM »
This has nothing to do with the outbreak. The famine is a direct consequence of the irresponsible politics run by the affected countries. They brought it up on themselves.

Mud pies are to blame!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :cry

This is the most paranoid thread to date and the most silly no wonder its not being locked its comedy :old:
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Re: Ebola coming to a town near you.
« Reply #416 on: October 20, 2014, 02:07:41 AM »
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Yes someone finally understands that ghi's reply to the topic on page 28 of the thread is irrelevant.
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Re: Ebola coming to a town near you.
« Reply #417 on: October 20, 2014, 03:59:35 AM »
I think a lot of people misunderstand what "burn out" actually means when it comes to virulent incurable diseases. The previous Ebola outbreaks have all been in rural African communities and have typically been snuffed out in weeks or months. But one main difference this time is that it has hit densely packed cities in West Africa, making the current outbreak an international threat. "Burn out" is not some biological process than makes the virus die out or something similar. "Burn out" means that the host population have developed enough individuals with effective immunity to curtail and eventually stop the spreading of the virus... Or... The host population has been so decimated that they've effectively become several separate populations and thus the spread of the virus is stopped through social distancing; simple lack of contact between groups of survivors.

Or to quote Dr. Bruce Aylward, WHO assistant director-general in charge of emergencies: "If control measures don't work, at some point, Ebola will have infected everyone who hasn't already been killed or recovered from the virus and there won't be enough people to maintain the virus' spread."

"Burn out" is by far the worst case scenario.

In the previous outbreaks in Africa the affected areas were effectively quarantined by the militant authoritative governments typical of those countries. After the virus had killed off most of the people in the affected villages and "burned itself out", the military moved in and cleaned up the mess. Typically using fire.

If Ebola becomes a global pandemic and we cannot stop it through vaccines it means that we would have to develop a natural group-immunity to to stop it. That means that about one in ten needs to get the virus and survive it. Now, if we use a very conservative estimate of the mortality of this virus that means that one in five of the world's population will be killed.




This is how the Ebola virus usually "burns out"...
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Re: Ebola coming to a town near you.
« Reply #418 on: October 20, 2014, 09:11:55 AM »
This has nothing to do with the outbreak. The famine is a direct consequence of the irresponsible politics run by the affected countries. They brought it up on themselves.

They said the same thing about AIDs. Eventually tho AIDs started infecting rich straight white people and all of a sudden all kinda treatments were found after billions were poured into the fight against it. Until then it was just a righteous punishment for the gay bath house sinners, never mind these were human beings suffering and dieing. A virus doesnt have "politics" its a health care issue, a battle against time. I now read were, or at least da Chief, is considering a travel ban from affected countries. He's backtracking cause he's getting beat up in the Polls because the average Joe cant understand why we just dont let anyone in who has one of three affected countries on his itinerary.

It doesnt matter who brought what to where. The world is at war against a pandemic and we have to spend whatever $$ is needed to stop it where it is worse. We have to help these poor people but we also have to isolate them until this thing is brought under control.
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Re: Ebola coming to a town near you.
« Reply #419 on: October 20, 2014, 09:21:52 AM »
They said the same thing about AIDs. Eventually tho AIDs started infecting rich straight white people and all of a sudden all kinda treatments were found after billions were poured into the fight against it. Until then it was just a righteous punishment for the gay bath house sinners, never mind these were human beings suffering and dieing. A virus doesnt have "politics" its a health care issue, a battle against time. I now read were, or at least da Chief, is considering a travel ban from affected countries. He's backtracking cause he's getting beat up in the Polls because the average Joe cant understand why we just dont let anyone in who has one of three affected countries on his itinerary.

It doesnt matter who brought what to where. The world is at war against a pandemic and we have to spend whatever $$ is needed to stop it where it is worse. We have to help these poor people but we also have to isolate them until this thing is brought under control.

I was talking about the famine i.e. starvation, not the disease. The first mass starvations started immediately when the ex colonies got self rule and they kicked out the colonialist farmers, destroyed their farms and celebrated their victory from colonialism - right up to the point when stockpiles finished and nobody was farming more food anymore.
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