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Offline Bizman

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Re: How well should this rig run Aces High for the forseable future?
« Reply #30 on: August 22, 2014, 12:54:43 PM »
Biz, it's time to upgrade, if for no other reason than to make use of the UEFI boot scheme. Probably you already know about its existence, so I won't bore you with the details of transitioning unless someone asks. The reason that I think it is a great time to move over is to make use of coming changes, like greater capacity drives. For anyone not familiar with the difference it is a limitation of MBR that drives larger than 2.19 TB must be broken into smaller partitions. GPT partitions can make use of partitions up to 9.4 ZB (zettabytes), or one billion TB (for capacity comparisons you could put the entire world wide web on 4 ZB as of 2013). While we are not in any danger of seeing ZB size drives anytime soon, we will probably be seeing 20-100 TB drives sometime next year. Even if that does not come true there are already 4TB Enterprise drives, and 6TB NAS drives.

Another use for UEFI is cryptography, of course, so as you are checking motherboards for UEFI you might also consider checking for trusted platform module (TPM) support. I moved to ASUS boards from EVGA myself because I wanted to test out the TPM modules they sell (HP and Intel sell them also).

Skuzzy may have a few comments on this, as my research indicated that Microsoft insists that any system with the Windows 8 logo on it (Motherboards inclusive) will include TPM keys with the UEFI secure boot system. So, when you setup a UEFI system on a board that shipped with the Windows 8 logo you might want to audit the keys and remove their keys (unless you trust them).

Lastly, when I switched from MBR to GPT (and UEFI) I noticed an immediate speed increase in boot times. Even with an SSD this is not as immediate as the promise of instant-on, but it is very, very fast.
Valid points, I can't disagree. On the other hand, based on personal experience I'd still say they don't mean a thing for many regular users, not even people playing computer games. Let me explain by using myself as an example: My current hdd is a whopping 320 GB and it's only half full. Both of my daughters have an account to this rig, but since they can backup their personal data on a 1 GB memory stick, I'd say that for the most part I'm responsible of this fill rate. I can't see any benefit in a larger hdd, since I could easily clean half of the currently used space by simply removing programs and stuff I haven't used for several years.

As for cryptography, I don't believe anyone would be look at my files a second time. Not even my AH films folder, not to mention my e-mail which for the most part is filled with a certain newsletter.

Last but not least, I have articulated my point about faster boot times several times on this forum. If I boot my computer once or twice a day, saving a couple of minutes won't add anything to my productivity. It's funny how the boot time increase gets so much attention in media. A local IT magazine said, that for an individual it wouldn't make any big deal, but in large companies the savings would add. Come on! If it takes one person a quarter of an hour to type a one page business letter, fifteen people can't type the same document in one minute. Saving mere minutes a day only adds productivity in assembly lines and I doubt they'd use Windows PC's there.

But that's only me, my needs are modest. All I need my computer for is e-mail, Internet and AH, plus occasionally plugging a customer's hard disk in for data restoration and a few hundred photos. I know there's hardcore gamers among us whose single games take some 100 GB each. Or photographers with myriads of RAW images. Or movie enthusiasts with a huge library of titles. Not to mention those who are into 3D modelling. Our needs vary.
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Re: How well should this rig run Aces High for the forseable future?
« Reply #31 on: August 22, 2014, 01:09:33 PM »
That being the case it sounds like you have the situation under close enough scrutiny to know when the time arrives for you to upgrade again. I did forget to mention the relative security of UEFI even without cryptography, but you already said you are (EDIT:) not concerned about that.
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Re: How well should this rig run Aces High for the forseable future?
« Reply #32 on: August 22, 2014, 01:26:05 PM »
They have high resolution graphic packages for people to load ...Isnt there a way to have it both ways? Lower resolution for older systems and as high of resolution as they can for those with high end gaming PC`s? Just asking  :joystick:

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Re: How well should this rig run Aces High for the forseable future?
« Reply #33 on: August 22, 2014, 01:34:51 PM »
Yes, I'm aware of current technology or at least capable to find out, that's not why I'm asking. As a matter of fact I'm currently on a course (again) to learn the latest Windows/Servers.

I just want to get opinions about a partial upgrade vs a totally new build for an average gamer and also what the schedule should be. My opinion is to get a decent rig for two-three years and then do a minor second hand upgrade for half of that time, getting the flagship gear which were high out of budget at the time of the initial build.
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Re: How well should this rig run Aces High for the forseable future?
« Reply #34 on: August 22, 2014, 01:54:16 PM »
They have high resolution graphic packages for people to load ...Isnt there a way to have it both ways? Lower resolution for older systems and as high of resolution as they can for those with high end gaming PC`s? Just asking  :joystick:

You can already dull down the graphics quite a lot. Although AH1 used to be much easier on the computers, getting those graphics into the current game is impossible due to the new structures among other things. If it were only about skins and surface details, it could be done. But there's much more to consider. The early birds were quite clumsy looking, almost like camo coloured winged coffins instead of the sleek round cigars they now are. I recall trying some pre-AH flying sim way back then, it looked like a child's drawing. You know, a flat dull green ground. blue sky, a yellow sun in the left corner, blue windows on houses with solid red roofs. And everything that should've been round had six edges, not to mention that every slanted line looked like a saw blade. I believe you wouldn't like to see the enemy plane as a grey + sign, would you?
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Re: How well should this rig run Aces High for the forseable future?
« Reply #35 on: August 22, 2014, 08:20:24 PM »
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Re: How well should this rig run Aces High for the forseable future?
« Reply #36 on: August 22, 2014, 11:42:16 PM »
Is AH going to upgrade graphics and knock off half of its already low number of subscribers. When AH became AH2 they lost a lot of people including half my squad. I had a chitty chitty bang bang computer back then,but they should be able to keep as many systems able to play on it as possible. If they are going to change it when is that going to happen?  :joystick:

out of curiosity.  how do you know that 1/2 the subscribers are gonna get kicked out due to graphics when ah3 or whatever is released?

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Re: How well should this rig run Aces High for the forseable future?
« Reply #37 on: August 23, 2014, 01:39:59 AM »
I agree Semp, I would think it likely that only the very, very, very bottom end systems may be put out by the new version.  I would also bet that a 1000$ system new would probably run it pretty well, considering what you can build for that.  Probably even a much cheaper PC will run it.  Until the beta comes up, it's all supposition, but sweeping broad statements like 1/3 or 1/2 the current players will be priced out is a little alarmist. 

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Re: How well should this rig run Aces High for the forseable future?
« Reply #38 on: August 23, 2014, 11:18:57 AM »
IIRC Skuzzy gave a hint about the current rigs people are playing AH with and the percentage of sub-par computers compared to recommended requirements was quite low. Every now and then someone pops up on this forum asking why his ten years old office computer can't run AH fluently any more. I suppose anyone who can find the download link should also be able to read the requirements under "Game info". Or, as I've noticed among pre-teens here without almost any knowledge of the English language, people just learn how a certain word like "download" looks like and then next-next-next-next-ready to get the game installed. Could that be described as a less flashy text based GUI of putting a disk into a gaming console and start a game from it?

Just a thought: How about displaying the minimum requirements in a window during the installation? Would that reduce the amount of unhappy new or returning customers who might never even heard about such a thing, believing that any "new" $300 laptop would run any game?
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Re: How well should this rig run Aces High for the forseable future?
« Reply #39 on: August 23, 2014, 11:33:46 AM »
Are you sure? I could swear I saw ambient occlusion at work in the tower shot they released.

I didn't comment on the previews earlyer but to me at least they remind of boxed sims 10-15 years ago. It's a step to the right direction for sure, I'm not just sure if it's enough when we compare the current generation graphics of the competition.

The paradox is that AH as a game is everything BUT the graphics. But in order to attract new customers and get people to try it out, the game has to look real photorealistic and flashy.
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Re: How well should this rig run Aces High for the forseable future?
« Reply #40 on: August 23, 2014, 11:36:10 AM »
Last but not least, I have articulated my point about faster boot times several times on this forum. If I boot my computer once or twice a day, saving a couple of minutes won't add anything to my productivity. It's funny how the boot time increase gets so much attention in media. A local IT magazine said, that for an individual it wouldn't make any big deal, but in large companies the savings would add. Come on! If it takes one person a quarter of an hour to type a one page business letter, fifteen people can't type the same document in one minute. Saving mere minutes a day only adds productivity in assembly lines and I doubt they'd use Windows PC's there.

I have seen corporate laptops that take no less than 20 minutes to boot. Worst one Ive seen was 40 minutes. Users keep their computers running for weeks on end just because they're afraid to boot it.
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Re: How well should this rig run Aces High for the forseable future?
« Reply #41 on: August 23, 2014, 01:22:24 PM »
I have seen corporate laptops that take no less than 20 minutes to boot. Worst one Ive seen was 40 minutes. Users keep their computers running for weeks on end just because they're afraid to boot it.

Thats usually because of the significant overhead from the resident software reinstalled by the corporation,  the scheduled updates and jobs pr econfigured into the software. Antivirus, workstation backup jobs, data loss prevention (DLP) tools,content monitoring filters, workstation security profiles, data integrity monitoring,  hard drive encryption, log monitoring and host intrusion detection software...all that trying to start during boot can slow a system to a crawl...and yes I know of companies that configure their PCs to load ALL the software I mentioned at start up...
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Re: How well should this rig run Aces High for the forseable future?
« Reply #42 on: August 23, 2014, 01:23:25 PM »
I have seen corporate laptops that take no less than 20 minutes to boot. Worst one Ive seen was 40 minutes. Users keep their computers running for weeks on end just because they're afraid to boot it.
Now that's ridiculous! With half an hour boot times there must be something serious going on, something that even the fastest SSD can't fix, only make it more tolerable. Notice that I didn't say something seriously wrong... I'm aware that connecting to multiple network drives can take some time as well as a some other server related security things, but twenty to fourty minutes! I really hope that the IT crew in those companies are both aware of the issue and capable to justify it to their superiors.
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Re: How well should this rig run Aces High for the forseable future?
« Reply #43 on: August 23, 2014, 01:33:45 PM »
Now that's ridiculous! With half an hour boot times there must be something serious going on, something that even the fastest SSD can't fix, only make it more tolerable. Notice that I didn't say something seriously wrong... I'm aware that connecting to multiple network drives can take some time as well as a some other server related security things, but twenty to fourty minutes! I really hope that the IT crew in those companies are both aware of the issue and capable to justify it to their superiors.

Heh in the good old NT4 times of my ex job with roaming profiles, when the people from the head office came to visit they logged on in the morning and by the time of the second coffee break (1400 hours) their computer had usually loaded all the porn movies etc. that their roaming profiles contained. I tried to clean our CEOs profile once, he had porn on the profile. But I would have had to clear his profile of every single workstation in the company that he ever used. Joy.
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Re: How well should this rig run Aces High for the forseable future?
« Reply #44 on: August 23, 2014, 01:45:22 PM »
Heh in the good old NT4 times of my ex job with roaming profiles, when the people from the head office came to visit they logged on in the morning and by the time of the second coffee break (1400 hours) their computer had usually loaded all the porn movies etc. that their roaming profiles contained. I tried to clean our CEOs profile once, he had porn on the profile. But I would have had to clear his profile of every single workstation in the company that he ever used. Joy.
Yes, back in the good old NT4 times when only companies and authorities had fast enough connections to download anything. I remember some municipal IT personnel ranting about some people using the net for downloading porn. Today with fast home Internet and highly editable group policies things like that shouldn't be an issue. And in cases like Zerstorer explained if the incompetence of the IT crew hasn't provoked any reactions from the "time-is-money" folks, they either have money to burn or are going down fast.
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