Frame Rate Confusion

[Ratsy]

Team -

On paper the computer I built in the spring of this year is a pretty stout mid-range rig.

I am not happy with the amount of 'dumbing down' I've had to do to get to 60fps in the main arena.

Am I missing something obvious/critical in the set up?

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System Information
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Time of this report: 8/13/2014, 07:46:08
       Machine name: EARTHI
   Operating System: Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit (6.1, Build 7601) Service Pack 1 (7601.win7sp1_gdr.140303-2144)
           Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: System manufacturer
       System Model: System Product Name
               BIOS: BIOS Date: 10/15/13 17:33:48 Ver: 45.02
          Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4820K CPU @ 3.70GHz (8 CPUs), ~3.7GHz
             Memory: 16384MB RAM
Available OS Memory: 16324MB RAM
          Page File: 3672MB used, 28974MB available
        Windows Dir: C:\Windows
    DirectX Version: DirectX 11
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
   User DPI Setting: Using System DPI
 System DPI Setting: 96 DPI (100 percent)
    DWM DPI Scaling: Disabled
     DxDiag Version: 6.01.7601.17514 64bit Unicode

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DxDiag Notes
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      Display Tab 1: No problems found.
        Sound Tab 1: No problems found.
        Sound Tab 2: No problems found.
          Input Tab: No problems found.

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DirectX Debug Levels
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Direct3D:    0/4 (retail)
DirectDraw:  0/4 (retail)
DirectInput: 0/5 (retail)
DirectMusic: 0/5 (retail)
DirectPlay:  0/9 (retail)
DirectSound: 0/5 (retail)
DirectShow:  0/6 (retail)

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Display Devices
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       Manufacturer: NVIDIA
          Chip type: GeForce GTX 760
           DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC
         Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_1187&SUBSYS_37683842&REV_A1
     Display Memory: 3742 MB
   Dedicated Memory: 4027 MB
      Shared Memory: 3810 MB
       Current Mode: 1920 x 1080 (32 bit) (60Hz)
       Monitor Name: Generic PnP Monitor
      Monitor Model: VG248
         Monitor Id: ACI24E1
        Native Mode: 1920 x 1080(p) (60.000Hz)
        Output Type: DVI
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     Driver Version: 9.18.13.4052
        DDI Version: 11
       Driver Model: WDDM 1.1
  Driver Attributes: Final Retail
   Driver Date/Size: 7/2/2014 15:48:32, 17555104 bytes
        WHQL Logo'd: Yes
    WHQL Date Stamp:
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          SubSys ID: 0x37683842
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[Bizman]

That sounds serious enough for most of the eye candy. Someone with a better knowledge of page file usage may be able to tell whether you have too much action in the background.

As for dumbing down, the biggest resource hog is the Environment mapping slider. Hardly any current computer can run at a solid 60 fps with it on full. It's a killer, intended to those who have no limit in their budget.

And hopefully you have installed your motherboard drivers instead of using the generic Windows ones.

[Wiley]

I think the first question is, what have you had to 'dumb down'?  I'm guessing shadows and environment mapping?

Wiley.

[Randy1]

Note too the slider adds very little to game for what it takes from your machine.  Go to offline and try different setting paying close attention of what gives you the most bang for the buck.  leave the slider off till you are happy with the setting then see if it will handle the slider.

[Ratsy]

Yep...Environment is slid back to 50%.

Shadows are pretty much turned off.

I have all the bump stuff working, however.

The Mobo bios revision that came with the card is still current.

I know I shouldn't complain about 59-60 FPS, but I was thinking that it should be higher based on the hardware.  I just wanted to make sure I didn't screw something up in the hardware configuration.

Thanks for the responses.

 

[Bizman]

I didn't actually mean the bios revision, I was talking about the motherboard chipset drivers.

[Wiley]

Yep...Environment is slid back to 50%.

Shadows are pretty much turned off.

I have all the bump stuff working, however.

The Mobo bios revision that came with the card is still current.

I know I shouldn't complain about 59-60 FPS, but I was thinking that it should be higher based on the hardware.  I just wanted to make sure I didn't screw something up in the hardware configuration.

Thanks for the responses.

 

Single monitor?  Environment's the biggest factor.  Turn it off, or one notch up from lowest, and you should be able to have max everything else.  IMO Building shadows are a low priority and can cause a frame rate hit when town is visible too.

59-60 is what you'll get with vsync on (which you should leave on), because that's what your monitor is running at.  If it's staying at steady 59-60 pretty much regardless of what is going on, you're all good.

Wiley.

[guncrasher]

You don't need Em.   Turn it off,  everything else should be at max with shadow at 2048.  solid 59 fps with occasional dips to 55 or so.

out of curiosity do you have wireless isp? Or belong to a file sharing program.   And have you tested for malware.

semp

[Ratsy]

Turning off Environment.

Chipset drivers are all Intel.

I have a wired connection to my ISP.  No file sharing program.  Moved Dropbox to non-gaming rig.  I do have a Synology unit on the LAN.  The monitoring for it is 'on demand' so no overhead from that.

Malware.  Up until yesterday I had the freebie Avira loaded.  I'm going to reload it today.  I couldn't sleep last night.    As far as I can tell all my services and processes are accounted for.

I have two 760's in this box, but all my testing has been with SLI disabled.

I'll turn off building shadows...they make me have to think before dropping bombs on them, anyway.

I have turned everything on presently and it dropped my fps to 27 (offline).

I'm going back in now to selectively reduce features for performance.

I appreciate the pointers here.  I am disappointed with how these cards are performing tho.

 

[Randy1]

With the slider off, things should start looking up.  I wish HTC would just do away with it.  I think it has caused more trouble than any other graphic setting.  It just looks so innocent.

The next on the list is ground clutter.  In certain situations like very near the ground , it will knock down FPS in a big way.

You have a super system so don't sweat these small cut backs.  Everyone cuts back something.

[Wiley]

Forgive me if the verbage isn't precise, but should be close enough to figure it out.

If it were me, I'd disable in this order:

Environment mapping
Shadows on buildings
Shadows on other vehicles
Shadow smoothing
Shadow texture size 1 setting less than max.

You might be able to get away with just turning off environment mapping and lowering shadow texture size to the second highest setting and turning off shadow smoothing.  If that seemed ok in offline, I'd do a test flyby on town before calling it good just to make sure it doesn't bog down looking at all the buildings casting shadows.

If memory serves, I'm running with the above settings on an ati 5770, shadow size might be 2 down from max, but I don't think it is.  The only time I notice a framerate issue is in FSO when a mass of planes launches from the runway.

Wiley.

[The Fugitive]

Isn't the Dedicated and Shared memory suppose to add up to the Display memory?   

 Display Memory: 3742 MB
 Dedicated Memory: 4027 MB
 Shared Memory: 3810 MB

So shouldn't the display memory read around 7837 MB?

Could this be an issue?

[morfiend]

 For testing purposes turn off Vsync and check frame rates,I think you'll be surprized!

   Be sure to turn Vsync back on for game play and you will see the frame rate match the refresh rate,which for your monitor is 60Hz. this will amount to 59/60 frames.

  Wiley has pointed out a good performance check,but he missed one thing!  Check your AA setting in the video settings on startup page,if you are using full AA and the environment map you can run out of vid memory.


   AH and SLI dont play nice,if it was me I'd run a single card unless you can afford a case of premium scotch in which case you may be able to bribe HTC into writing an SLI profile just for you!



     

[Ratsy]

Thanks for all the tips and tricks, guys. 

We can only hope that Dale doesn't drink single malts!  Maybe some of the graphics tester guys will pass the hat?

I have been getting 59/60 with VSYNC off. 

I'm going to do some more reading about SLI.  The last time I spent money on this was back in the XP days and installing it made a helluva impact on the games of that era.  Perhaps my expectation for SLI in AH was based on the mysterious good old days.

This community is strong because of the guys, like you, that never say NOOB DOOBER.

 

[guncrasher]

Thanks for all the tips and tricks, guys. 

We can only hope that Dale doesn't drink single malts!  Maybe some of the graphics tester guys will pass the hat?

I have been getting 59/60 with VSYNC off. 

I'm going to do some more reading about SLI.  The last time I spent money on this was back in the XP days and installing it made a helluva impact on the games of that era.  Perhaps my expectation for SLI in AH was based on the mysterious good old days.

This community is strong because of the guys, like you, that never say NOOB DOOBER.

 

big mistake vsync should always be on.  always.  you definately have a problem with your computer as you should have same fps as mine with everything on except em.

one question what is your video card manufacturer and do you use their drives instead of going to nvidia and download their generic drivers.

my guess is pointing to malware that is hogging up resources.


semp