F8F-1 Standard Characteristics... A genuine monster

[Lusche]

Maybe some just don't want the UFO-4 knocked off it's "uberest prop fighter" perch. 

In the context of the MA, the U4 ain't the 'uberest' fighter anyway.

[Arlo]

Maybe some just don't want the UFO-4 knocked off it's "uberest prop fighter" perch. 

I wouldn't miss the F4U-4 if it disappeared today. Probably wouldn't notice unless someone brought it to my attention. But then, this ain't about subtraction.

[BaldEagl]

As a fan of the Grumman aircraft, on one hand I'd like to see the F8F added but on the other hand there's still a lot more important work to do under the current inclusion criteria.

I guess some of you no longer want to see the Beufighter, A-26, a true British tank, expanded naval warfare, updated AHI models, etc., etc., etc.

If it was up to me I'd rather see the F3F added.

[Arlo]

No love for the Italians? A single bomber? A single tank? 

[DaveBB]

If the F8F is added, just make sure the wingtips break off at 7.5G's.  That was a big design incorporation to keep the wing structure light.

[Karnak]

The Spixteen just plain owns the Focke Wulfe A5. Therefore, the spixteen should not have been added to the game. The F4u4 out-runs, out-climbs, out-rolls, and out-turns a whole long list of different planes. Therefore delete. Etc. ''The Bearcat is better than my favorite plane'' isn't an argument for not adding it, just for perking it as appropriate. I'm sure if is added HTC will watch usage and kill death ratio and adjust as needed, in no more than a decade 

The margin of superiority the Mk XVI has over the Fw190A-5 (not the best fighter in AH) is minuscule compared to the margin of superiority the F8F holds over the F4U-4 and Tempest (the best fighters in AH) so your comparison is 100% bullcrap.  The Spit doesn't even hold a speed advantage over the A-5.

[WWhiskey]

So maybe it could be added for some other reason than the MA,, much like the RV8?

[glzsqd]

Why have Post war fighters when we can have Even better Pre-war fighters I15 anyone?

[Arlo]

Why have Post war fighters when we can have Even better Pre-war fighters I15 anyone?

Not entirely sure its a pre.

[Oldman731]

Thing is, they've already added most of the things that participated which are particularly interesting to the masses.

Which sets me to wondering:  How much does an expanded plane set really matter?  Seems to me that the vast majority of people find one plane, perhaps two or three, and stick with it/them forever and ever.  I just don't hear many people saying "Hey, I've flown every plane in AH, and now I'm bored because I'm master of all of them and there are no new planes to present me with a challenge."

- oldman

[BnZs]

Why have Post war fighters when we can have Even better Pre-war fighters I15 anyone?

This also sounds great to me. However, the hot rods are more likely to attract new players.

[BnZs]

The margin of superiority the Mk XVI has over the Fw190A-5 (not the best fighter in AH) is minuscule compared to the margin of superiority the F8F holds over the F4U-4 and Tempest (the best fighters in AH) so your comparison is 100% bullcrap.  The Spit doesn't even hold a speed advantage over the A-5.

You should not accuse me of "100% bullcrap" while making a statement that shows you to be unfamiliar with your charts.


The fact that the F8F is superior to the F4U-4 and Tempest is again irrelevant and does not constitute a logical argument. Shall we delete the F4U4, Temp, as well as the La7 and 109K4 because they simultaneously out-run, out-turn, and out-climb many other aircraft?

[Lusche]

The fact that the F8F is superior to the F4U-4 and Tempest is again irrelevant and does not constitute a logical argument.

No plane currently in AH, including Tempest, F4U, La-7, SPit 16 or 109K, has that much of an edge above the whole plane as the F8F would have. It's almost 40mph faster on the deck than the next fastes plane, yet still turning better than almost all others and outclimbing everything.
These combination of traits is what would result in an absolutely singular performance.



And by the way, I do not think that at this point, any reasonable number of players would be attracted to AH just because plane X or Y would had been added. I have not seen any surge in players because of the additions in the past years, not even when the B-29 was added (at that point IIRC AH was the only combat sim where you couzld actively fly one?).

[BnZs]

No plane currently in AH, including Tempest, F4U, La-7, SPit 16 or 109K, has that much of an edge above the whole plane as the F8F would have. It's almost 40mph faster on the deck than the next fastes plane, yet still turning better than almost all others and outclimbing everything.
These combination of traits is what would result in an absolutely singular performance.

Thus it would demand a singular perk price. At the end of the day though, it would attract a lot of attention and fall to pieces from a diving picker's cannon blast in about the same way anything else does.

Plus, I have to say I am *still* a little  about the performance. It is EXTRAORDINARILY fast on the deck compared to just about everything, including similarly hot-rodded flying engines, but by 18K it is still fast but not really amazingly fast? 

[BnZs]

Question on turning: Wik lists a loaded weight for the Bearcat of 9,600 pounds, and a wing area of 244 square feet. That works out to a wing-loading of 39.3 pounds per square foot. This is not extraordinarily light for a late war piston fighter. By comparison from the same source, the F4U-4 has a wing area of 314 square feet, loaded weight of 12,405. That works out to 39.5 pounds per square foot. How then, can the F8F be expected to out-turn everything?