F8F-1 Standard Characteristics... A genuine monster

[Saxman]

By the "standards" for entry as we know it, it seems to me the Beafighter or P-61 stands a better chance of being modeled than either the F8F or F7F.

For that matter, the P-61 would be a solid add for a heavy fighter even without night.

[morfiend]

By the "standards" for entry as we know it, it seems to me the Beafighter or P-61 stands a better chance of being modeled than either the F8F or F7F.

 I've been around for just over 2 weeks now and something I have never seen is a definitive "standard" for inclusion!

  The only thing I have ever seen stated by HTC is that no 1off's and no prototypes.


    Everything else is just conjecture,I have never seen HTC state"it had to have seen combat",I have seen it stated that they would like it to have been in service but thats it.


    I challenge anyone to post a link,snip a quote,anything that shows HTC stating anything other than what I already said. 


     We have a perk system in place to deal with overly dominate planes,if the F8f and or the F7f were added fine just perk them like the 262 and if that doesnt work,just increase the perk cost till it does. Threatening to quit whether it's introduced or not,while it does show passion I think is a little over the top!


   Besides we could use Widewing in the trainers corps..........  He was among the best of the best in that regard!



   

[Arlo]

Philosophical question: If a fighter didn't see combat during WWII .... was that fighter a 'WWII fighter?'

[-ammo-]

 I've been around for just over 2 weeks now and something I have never seen is a definitive "standard" for inclusion!

  The only thing I have ever seen stated by HTC is that no 1off's and no prototypes.


    Everything else is just conjecture,I have never seen HTC state"it had to have seen combat",I have seen it stated that they would like it to have been in service but thats it.


    I challenge anyone to post a link,snip a quote,anything that shows HTC stating anything other than what I already said.  


     We have a perk system in place to deal with overly dominate planes,if the F8f and or the F7f were added fine just perk them like the 262 and if that doesnt work,just increase the perk cost till it does. Threatening to quit whether it's introduced or not,while it does show passion I think is a little over the top!


   Besides we could use Widewing in the trainers corps..........  He was among the best of the best in that regard!



    

You may be right -  I don't recall a definitive ever published by HTC in that regards, although there have been a few posts by Pyro and HT.  But, take a look at the current plane set and tell me what you would deduce is the "standard"

[morfiend]

You may be right -  I don't recall a definitive ever published by HTC in that regards, although there have been a few posts by Pyro and HT.  But, take a look at the current plane set and tell me what you would deduce is the "standard"

  I would deduce.... the standard to be an A/C that was in service.


  Dont get me wrong,I think there are plenty of planes I would rather see ingame before the bear or tigercats,the beaufighter comes to mind but that doesnt mean I cant see the F8 or F7 included at some point.



   

[GScholz]

I'm all for it. The MA isn't a WWII reenactment... It's a game where we play for chess piece countries on mostly rather silly fictitious maps with ludicrous terrain elevations. I wouldn't mind including "1946" what-if aircraft as long as they're appropriately perked. For historical scenarios the historical rides are there to choose from. That said, there are still real WWII aircraft that needs adding, and old models that need updating, and perhaps expanding the range of sub-models (Bf110 comes to mind...).

[Arlo]

I'd rather not see AH try to be IL-2 STURMOVIK™: 1946. But then, wasn't that the banner that lead the charge for the graphics change.

[GScholz]

I'd rather not...

Why?

[Saxman]

Why?

D4Y
B6N
SB2C
TBD
Beaufighter
B-25J
J2M
Ki-45
Ki-100
MiG-3
Yak-1
A5M
Ki-27
Ki-44
Swordfish
Pe-2
LaGG-1

THAT'S why.

@#$% WWII 1946. Fill the gaps in the plane set that actually matter.

[Arlo]

Why?

It isn't 'late war' .... it's after the war. That redefines the arena. It muddies the water. It becomes an endless cycle of adding the 'what-ifs' and accelerates the process of hangar queening the 'actually dids.' And if an arena segregates the 1946 set it'll suck away players and the LW arena becomes like the MW and EW. And yes, Don't crack open Pandora's box to rain havoc on historical squads that fly the LW just so they can get regular play in their preferred historical rides (but now there's this whole new perkie set that didn't even fight in the war that was asked for by uberfixators that wanted to one up the ante of 'How would THIS match up?').

It's a selfish wish with no forethought on how it can affect the overall game, environment and community.

No offense, any-yas. 

[BnZs]

Rationally controlled by perking, the addition of such planes effects the MA no more than the addition of the Me-163. Yes, it actually saw limited service in the war, BUT its performance is far more singular relative most WWII fighter planes the F8F, Sea Fury, or any other post-war piston hot rod one might consider introducing.

It isn't 'late war' .... it's after the war. That redefines the arena. It muddies the water. It becomes an endless cycle of adding the 'what-ifs' and accelerates the process of hangar queening the 'actually dids.' And if an arena segregates the 1946 set it'll suck away players and the LW arena becomes like the MW and EW. And yes, Don't crack open Pandora's box to rain havoc on historical squads that fly the LW just so they can get regular play in their preferred historical rides (but now there's this whole new perkie set that didn't even fight in the war that was asked for by uberfixators that wanted to one up the ante of 'How would THIS match up?').

It's a selfish wish with no forethought on how it can affect the overall game, environment and community.

No offense, any-yas. 

[Arlo]

Rationally controlled by perking, the addition of such planes effects the MA no more than the addition of the Me-163. Yes, it actually saw limited service in the war, BUT its performance is far more singular relative most WWII fighter planes the F8F, Sea Fury, or any other post-war piston hot rod one might consider introducing.

If you call riding a boat and never actually getting to do air operations against the enemy at all 'service in the war.' We could model the supply logistics office in Norfolk, as well.

[DaveBB]

Give us the Do335!

[BnZs]

If you call riding a boat and never actually getting to do air operations against the enemy at all 'service in the war.' We could model the supply logistics office in Norfolk, as well.

I am not calling that service in the war at all. I am pointing out the the Me-163 DID see service in the war, and that it is a frikkin' rocket plane that makes the F8F's performance look a little insipid by comparison. Yet, its presence in the MA does not bring on some doom scenario for those who like to fly the various prop planes because its effect on the MA is strictly controlled, as presumably the presence of the F8F would be.

Scholz has it right, in an arena which already contains so many a-historical elements, complaining about the a-historical nature of the F8F just doesn't make sense.

[Brooke]

D4Y
B6N
SB2C
TBD
Beaufighter
B-25J
J2M
Ki-45
Ki-100
MiG-3
Yak-1
A5M
Ki-27
Ki-44
Swordfish
Pe-2
LaGG-1

THAT'S why.