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Offline jolly22

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Local Museum (190s/mossies)
« on: October 04, 2014, 07:43:55 PM »
There was also a JU52 in the same hangar, so space was limited and hard to get a good picture.







This Mossie was amazing.. I was more intrigued by the Cockpit of the Mossie more than the outside of it.. Plus it was really hard to get a good picture :P


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Re: Local Museum (190s/mossies)
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2014, 07:45:53 PM »
My photobucket of MOSTLY the rest of the planes/snow days : http://s864.photobucket.com/user/JRjolly/library/?sort=3&page=1

Website of the museum : http://www.militaryaviationmuseum.org/
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Re: Local Museum (190s/mossies)
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2014, 08:01:42 PM »
Is that one of the 190s The Texas Air Museum restored?
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Re: Local Museum (190s/mossies)
« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2014, 08:14:02 PM »
Quote from: Vraciu on October 04, 2014, 08:01:42 PM
Is that one of the 190s The Texas Air Museum restored?

That I'm not too sure..

The guy who owns this museum, also owns something called the "Fighter Factory" which fixes and restores WW1/2 planes. Any new planes he gets, goes to them. The 190D that is there I don't believe is from the Fighter Factory, but the A8 will be restored at the FF.
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Re: Local Museum (190s/mossies)
« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2014, 08:34:28 PM »
Jolly is this the museum in Dulles? I'm about an hour from there I should go one day.

 Nevermind, just saw the link!  :old:
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Re: Local Museum (190s/mossies)
« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2014, 09:47:35 PM »
Quote from: Someguy63 on October 04, 2014, 08:34:28 PM
Jolly is this the museum in Dulles? I'm about an hour from there I should go one day.

 Nevermind, just saw the link!  :old:

The Dulles museum (about 30-60 minutes from Washington DC) is the Udvar-Hazy Museum -- and it is awesome.

It is one of the world's best airplane museums.  It might be the 2nd best after the USAF museum in Dayton, Ohio.
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Re: Local Museum (190s/mossies)
« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2014, 10:14:24 PM »
Quote from: Brooke on October 04, 2014, 09:47:35 PM
The Dulles museum (about 30-60 minutes from Washington DC) is the Udvar-Hazy Museum -- and it is awesome.

It is one of the world's best airplane museums.  It might be the 2nd best after the USAF museum in Dayton, Ohio.

Yup I'm a decent hour away, I need to find time to do it one day.
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Re: Local Museum (190s/mossies)
« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2014, 10:33:33 PM »
Quote from: Vraciu on October 04, 2014, 08:01:42 PM
Is that one of the 190s The Texas Air Museum restored?

It doesn't look much like restored to me...
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Re: Local Museum (190s/mossies)
« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2014, 10:45:04 PM »
Quote from: GScholz on October 04, 2014, 10:33:33 PM
It doesn't look much like restored to me...


Assuming it is the same plane...  It was one of three they recovered in various states of ruin.  Buried in a Norwegian Fjord, crashed and burned, and in a thousand pieces.   What they did to put them back together is a marvel.   I saw two of the three.   One still in the jigs and one complete.

The goal was to preserve as much of the original aircraft as possible.  I think they did a good job.
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Re: Local Museum (190s/mossies)
« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2014, 11:15:34 PM »
Yes you can clearly see it is cobbled together with parts from different aircraft. Typical restoration jobs will try to make it look undamaged, but often that means destroying part of its historical value. It's always a balancing act. In this case, where it isn't a single aircraft, but a collection of parts from several 190s they could have done more. However there is also cost to consider.
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Re: Local Museum (190s/mossies)
« Reply #10 on: October 04, 2014, 11:24:13 PM »
Btw. I know Texas Air Museum do good work. They did parts of the 190A-3 in our museum here.

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Re: Local Museum (190s/mossies)
« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2014, 02:06:50 AM »
Quote from: GScholz on October 04, 2014, 11:24:13 PM
Btw. I know Texas Air Museum do good work. They did parts of the 190A-3 in our museum here.

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Yep.  Part of the deal to get the planes out.  TAM got two in exchange for restoring that one.
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Re: Local Museum (190s/mossies)
« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2014, 02:08:50 AM »
Quote from: GScholz on October 04, 2014, 11:15:34 PM
Yes you can clearly see it is cobbled together with parts from different aircraft. Typical restoration jobs will try to make it look undamaged, but often that means destroying part of its historical value. It's always a balancing act. In this case, where it isn't a single aircraft, but a collection of parts from several 190s they could have done more. However there is also cost to consider.

It is my understanding that three were recovered.   One was donated to your museum--and was obviously the best restoration of the three.


I have seen the other two.   The airframes were bent and mangled.  They did what they could with what they had.   Probably an issue of funding.   I was in awe of seeing a 190 for the first time up close.  Not perfect, but certainly a worthy effort.

I believe the pilot of one actually sat in the cockpit after the restoration. 
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Re: Local Museum (190s/mossies)
« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2014, 08:04:17 AM »
Black 3 was not one of the 190's that were recovered from the sea. It crashed in the mountains, but yes, we traded the other 190 wrecks to get this one restored. It has been a process that has taken 30 years and a lot of elbow grease to complete.

http://luftfartsmuseum.no/fly/focke-wulf-190-a-3-2/
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Re: Local Museum (190s/mossies)
« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2014, 10:31:13 AM »
Those are from the military aviation museum in Virginia beach. They keep their planes flying. They have too many planes to name there. They have an air show every summer warbirds over the beach. It's worth the drive to check out the museum.
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