Flying Coffin..? Tag writer over-reach?

[Groth]

http://theweek.com/article/index/269819/speedreads-flying-coffin-wreck-from-world-war-ii-found-in-italy
I don't know if it was easier or harder to get out of then some other planes..thoughts?
                                                                         Original article...http://news.discovery.com/history/archaeology/flying-coffin-wwii-wreck-found-141013.htm
 JGroth

[DaveBB]

All WWII heavy bombers were extremely difficult to get out of.  Why? Because G-forces pinned the crew to the floor.  It must have been horrific trying to get out of a spinning bomber.  Or a bomber in any sort of uncontrolled maneuver for that matter.

[Puma44]

Why? Because G-forces pinned the crew to the floor.  It must have been horrific trying to get out of a spinning bomber. 

Why would they get pinned to the floor in a spin?

[Nwbie]

Why would they get pinned to the floor in a spin?

you ever ride in one of these?

[Puma44]

you ever ride in one of these?
(Image removed from quote.)

Yeah, and the question still stands.  The kiddy ride isn't in a three dimensional environment.

[DaveBB]

So the bomber gets hit, and the control cables are severed,  it could go into a g-inducing barrel roll type spin.  Or it could go into a flat spin while losing altitude.  In that case, the crew would be pinned to the roof.  In the numerous accounts I have read, crew members recounted being stuck inside the bomber unable to move to the exit.  The only thing that saved them in these cases is the break-up of the bomber, at which point they were either thrown out or could somehow escape.

But the main point is that G-forces played a huge part in bomber crews not being able to escape.  Whether negative or positive G's.

[Ack-Ack]

http://theweek.com/article/index/269819/speedreads-flying-coffin-wreck-from-world-war-ii-found-in-italy
I don't know if it was easier or harder to get out of then some other planes..thoughts?
                                                                         Original article...http://news.discovery.com/history/archaeology/flying-coffin-wwii-wreck-found-141013.htm
 JGroth

One of the reasons why B-24 crews sometimes referred to the B-24 as a flying coffin because it was very difficult for the flight crew and nose gunner to get to the exit at the rear of the plane while wearing parachutes in case they had to bail out.

ack-ack

[colmbo]

Why would they get pinned to the floor in a spin?

They wouldn't.  They might get pinned against the side of the fuselage (met two guys that experienced that).

Text with the article is BS.  There are two exits on the 24...one top of fuselage just behind cockpit and on belly aft of the waist positions.  However the crew forward would use the bombbay (pilot, copilot, top gunner) or the nose wheel opening (navigator, bombardier, nose gunner).

[colmbo]

One of the reasons why B-24 crews sometimes referred to the B-24 as a flying coffin because it was very difficult for the flight crew and nose gunner to get to the exit at the rear of the plane while wearing parachutes in case they had to bail out.

ack-ack

If they were going aft to edit they weren't thinking since they crawled right past the nose wheel where they were supposed to exit.

[Puma44]

They wouldn't.  They might get pinned against the side of the fuselage (met two guys that experienced that).

Zactly what I was getting at, Columbo.  Thanks!  

[SFRT - Frenchy]

Isn't a spin a 1G manoeuver?

[DaveBB]

Isn't a spin a 1G manoeuver?

There's no way.  In the infamous "Memphis Belle" footage, a B-17 falls out of the formation in a spin, and only two guys get out.  Only two guys got out of this B-17 (actual footage).  It's in a nice gentle "1g spin" as you claim.  
http://youtu.be/Dn8tqacRXK4?t=26m

[GScholz]

In a spin g-forces would be difficult to overcome, and even in a normal dive the crew would have to climb to get to the rear of the plane...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3LRKegCdRI&feature=player_detailpage#t=98

[Ratsy]

So...when an aircraft departs from controlled flight the 'floor' becomes relative.  I get it.

 

[earl1937]

Isn't a spin a 1G manoeuver?

you are pulling 1G when standing still sir! You, me and everybody else would be spun off the face of the earth, if we didn't pull 1G standing on the surface. I think if a bomber crew was in a spin, they would be plastered against the rear bulk head, if in the rear of the a/c. I doubt if the a/c and crew up front would be able to get out of their seats to bail out. Its hard to say what limitations would be placed on the crew in a spin.
The B-17 shown in Memphis Belle, spinning out of control, if you look closely, they came out of the bomb bay, which suggests it was the radio operator and top turret gunner! Not sure of that though!