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Offline tunnelrat

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Spit V vs A6M3 mod 32
« on: October 17, 2014, 11:47:13 AM »
After a long hiatus from AH, I came back last night and flew both of these birds for a couple of runs each.

As I am sitting at work today, fully addicted once again, and unable to focus on various tasks here, I will punish you by yapping about whatever pops into my idiot little mind.   :salute

I noticed that the ENY of both of these planes was 35, and it got me to thinking about the various strengths and weaknesses of each.  At first glance I thought surely the Spit V should have a lower ENY than the A6M3, but now I am not so certain.  (And this post certainly isn't some veiled campaign to get it changed, just to chat about AH planes)

First off here are the performance specifications according to AH:



While the WEP is nice in the Spit V, considering the altitudes where these birds are going to be effective in the LWMA (at least in my hands hahaha) it's not staggeringly faster.

The climb rate game is basically the opposite, not a staggering difference but definitely an edge to the A6M3 at low altitude.



I couldn't get any real numbers on the acceleration side of things as Gonzo only has the A6M2 and the A6M5 listed.

On the lethality side, there is a significant disparity in both primary and secondary armament.

With the Spit V you get 2 wonderful Hispanos, but a very short clip of 60 rounds per gun.  With the Zeke you get almost twice the ammunition (100 rounds per gun), but in the form of the less desirable Type 99 Mk I cannon (I believe they are Mk I anyway). 

Now for me, since I have found myself only using the Type 99's at extreme close range, it seems to make less of an impact... but their versatility certainly isn't as flexible as the Hispanos.

On the secondary side, the Spit V has twice as many guns... and while they are still rifle caliber MGs, that's a significant difference.   I am not sure about the rate of fire, but as the Zekes are synchronized to the prop, I would imagine the Spit has a higher rate... though the Zekes are going to be less affected by convergence.

Maneuverability wise, they are both excellent, but the Zeke seems untouchable at low altitude, while the Spit seems to remain more responsive at higher speeds.

Visibility the Spit V wins hands down.  The Zeke's birdcage isn't the worst, but I would call it below average, while the Spit V I would say is well above average for all-round visibility - neither have a superb 6 o'clock view.

I don't really have the expertise or experience to say which one holds up to damage better... the Zeke of course burns early and often, but the Spit's wings are big targets. 

Personally, I seem to perform better in the A6M3, but I probably just need to get a better handle on how to fly the Spit V.  I prefer the A6M3, but I'd have to give the edge to the Spit V if I had to say which plane was "better" overall.

So what do you think?  Which plane would you say is better?
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Re: Spit V vs A6M3 mod 32
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2014, 12:28:11 PM »
I like the A6M3 -  my favorite zeke in AH.  It is so maneuverable and responsive at low altitude.
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Re: Spit V vs A6M3 mod 32
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2014, 01:02:16 PM »
I like the A6M3 -  my favorite zeke in AH.  It is so maneuverable and responsive at low altitude.


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Re: Spit V vs A6M3 mod 32
« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2014, 08:44:35 PM »
You can use climb rate to compare acceleration, it's essentially the same thing.

A quick way to compare sustained turning is an easy spiral climb at 3g  to find the 3g stall speed. The slower 3g stall is the better turner.

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Re: Spit V vs A6M3 mod 32
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2014, 02:06:36 PM »
You can use climb rate to compare acceleration, it's essentially the same thing.

A quick way to compare sustained turning is an easy spiral climb at 3g  to find the 3g stall speed. The slower 3g stall is the better turner.

Is there a way you could explain the correlation between rate of climb and acceleration so that an idiot like myself could understand it?

On a certain level it makes sense... I think....  i.e. plane needs X forward momentum in order to have enough lift to stay aloft, and anything beyond that will either push the plane forward faster, or could instead be used to climb...?
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Re: Spit V vs A6M3 mod 32
« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2014, 02:52:37 PM »
Is there a way you could explain the correlation between rate of climb and acceleration so that an idiot like myself could understand it?

On a certain level it makes sense... I think....  i.e. plane needs X forward momentum in order to have enough lift to stay aloft, and anything beyond that will either push the plane forward faster, or could instead be used to climb...?


Climb and acceleration are both generated by thrust in excess of the thrust needed to maintain the current speed.  Once you are going fast enough that your drag matches your thrust you cease accelerating and are unable to climb.

At best climb speed the Spitfire Mk XVI easily out climbs the P-51D, but the P-51D can escape by setting its speed to 345mph, the maximum the Spit XVI can do at sea level, and then using its excess thrust to gradually climb above the Spitfire.
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Re: Spit V vs A6M3 mod 32
« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2014, 02:54:41 PM »
Is there a way you could explain the correlation between rate of climb and acceleration so that an idiot like myself could understand it?

Climbing is acceleration, in the vertical.
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Re: Spit V vs A6M3 mod 32
« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2014, 03:23:37 PM »
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I don't really have the expertise or experience to say which one holds up to damage better... the Zeke of course burns early and often, but the Spit's wings are big targets. 
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While less of an issue in a 1-vs-1 fight, in a typical many-vs-many mosh pit, almost any snapshot will take out the Zeke.  Just as it was in RL.


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Re: Spit V vs A6M3 mod 32
« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2014, 05:01:53 PM »
Climb and acceleration are both generated by thrust in excess of the thrust needed to maintain the current speed.  Once you are going fast enough that your drag matches your thrust you cease accelerating and are unable to climb.

At best climb speed the Spitfire Mk XVI easily out climbs the P-51D, but the P-51D can escape by setting its speed to 345mph, the maximum the Spit XVI can do at sea level, and then using its excess thrust to gradually climb above the Spitfire.

Climbing is acceleration, in the vertical.

Awesome, thanks guys!

While less of an issue in a 1-vs-1 fight, in a typical many-vs-many mosh pit, almost any snapshot will take out the Zeke.  Just as it was in RL.


Agreed!  Certain folks always tell me it's an "easy-mode" plane... I always ask them why they never make it home from the furball hahahha
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Re: Spit V vs A6M3 mod 32
« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2014, 10:00:04 PM »
I find it hard to choose as both to me are brutal knife fighters. That said, the Spit V is easier to both get and land kills if you are into that sort of thing.  The A6M3 is a real challenge in the MA from a survival perspective....which makes it a lot of fun in my opinion.
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Re: Spit V vs A6M3 mod 32
« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2014, 06:18:55 PM »
I have the stats on them:
A6M3 25% Fuel:
150 to 200: 10.4 secs
150 to 250: 29.5 secs
200 to 250: 19.1 secs
Top Speed on Deck: 289. No Wep
No Flap Radius: 420.7 ; No Flap DPS: 27.2
Full Flap Radius: 360.2 ; Full Flap DPS: 23.3
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Spit 5 25% Fuel:
150 to 200: 10.9 secs
150 to 250: 28.9 secs
200 to 250: 18.0 secs
150 to 300: 89.9 secs
250 to 300: 61.0 secs
Top Speed on Deck: 290; with WEP: 306
No Flap Radius: 522.3 No Flap DPS: 22.4
Full Flap Radius: 431.1; Full Flap DPS: 20.1

DPS = Degrees Per Second, as in degrees around a circle.








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Re: Spit V vs A6M3 mod 32
« Reply #11 on: November 08, 2014, 01:40:15 PM »
That Zeke is a blast to fly, but it catches fire if someone looks at you funny. I wish it had the durability of the Ki-84.

I'd take the Spit V in this comparison for that reason alone.
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