F4U-4

[Skyyr]

Not true.

Maybe not from a turnfighter's perspective.

[glzsqd]

Did someone say Dash One (-1)   

[Someguy63]

Maybe not from a turnfighter's perspective.

It is also good at E fighting, diving, and stall fighting, I believe you're underestimating the aircraft.

[Skyyr]

It is also good at E fighting, diving, and stall fighting, I believe you're underestimating the aircraft.

"Good at e-fighting" does not mean being good at BnZ when you have airspeed - ANY plane can be good at that, the faster they are the better. That's nothing unique to the F4U-4.

Being good at E-fighting requires obtaining and retaining an energy advantage when starting from a co-energy state (i.e. same alt, both planes at cruising speed). In that light, in a co-E situation, it's a poor performer. All of the F4U's are mediocre at E fighting. The -4 does it best, but it's still lacking and will readily be beaten by the D9, TA-152, P-51, LA-7, K4, Ki-84, and many others in an even E-fight.

The -4 is a turnfighter that happens to have high cruising speed and decent climb rate. This allows it to hang with E fighters initially, and then transition to a turn fight as entropy ensues the E states. However, it will still readily be beaten by most pure E fighters starting from a co-E state who know how to avoid the turn fight, as it cannot retain the E advantage.

[Vraciu]

To be honest,of all the fast birds,the LA7 is the one that runs the least.
Most LA pilots do not suffer from spine degeneration like the p51/190 guys do,they are actually willing to mix it up in it.
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The lala can turn.  The other two really can't.

[Vraciu]

Above 9k, all F4U's outperform the LA. So -1 to the reasoning behind the request.

That said, I'd like to see it unperked as it's not that great of a fighter to begin with.

That's not what you say when you beat someone who is flying one.   


I do agree that it is overrated, though.  I find it squirrelly and relatively short-legged.  Not my fav Hawg by any means.  If it gets unperked the only real losers may be pony drivers like me, and we are hated any way, so why not?

[Vraciu]

Maybe not from a turnfighter's perspective.

It isn't a great turner either best I can tell.   What did I miss?

[glzsqd]

It perk price isn't warranted at the Typical AH altitudes, Bring it to 20k and very few planes can touch it. Even the planes that do Outperform the -4 at higher alts can not at the lower altitudes.

In reality the -1 is the one that should be perked. No plane should look that good and not have a price tag.

[Someguy63]

"Good at e-fighting" does not mean being good at BnZ when you have airspeed - ANY plane can be good at that, the faster they are the better. That's nothing unique to the F4U-4.

Being good at E-fighting requires obtaining and retaining an energy advantage when starting from a co-energy state (i.e. same alt, both planes at cruising speed). In that light, in a co-E situation, it's a poor performer. All of the F4U's are mediocre at E fighting. The -4 does it best, but it's still lacking and will readily be beaten by the D9, TA-152, P-51, LA-7, K4, Ki-84, and many others in an even E-fight.

The -4 is a turnfighter that happens to have high cruising speed and decent climb rate. This allows it to hang with E fighters initially, and then transition to a turn fight as entropy ensues the E states. However, it will still readily be beaten by most pure E fighters starting from a co-E state who know how to avoid the turn fight, as it cannot retain the E advantage.

Why did you jump to BnZ? I never said that, by E fighting I meant the one you end up describing.

And the -4 is easily capable of handling an E fighter, I'm not sure if you have stated this based on MA experience, but a -4 in good hands can do so, and whatever you may see in the MA, they are usually piloted by people that don't know how to use that capability to its advantage.

[tunnelrat]

In reality the -1 is the one that should be perked. No plane should look that good and not have a price tag.

 

[Skyyr]

And the -4 is easily capable of handling an E fighter, I'm not sure if you have stated this based on MA experience, but a -4 in good hands can do so, and whatever you may see in the MA, they are usually piloted by people that don't know how to use that capability to its advantage.

Hmmmm... this sounds like a fun challenge. You up for some DA time, then? Your -4 vs my aircraft?

[Randy1]

Why would you want the 4 model when you have 1A.

-1

[glzsqd]

Why would you want the 4 model when you have 1A.

-1

1A is for noobs. Birdcage Corsair reigns supreme!

[waystin2]

-1

[bozon]

So what, on the carrier, can compete?  Perfomance wise, at carrier fight alts?  Only the dashfour can compete with the La-7...

So, now the F4U-1A is a second rate fighter?

And your answer to the La-7 is to unleash a new monster, even worse than the La7?
No thank you.
Some of us like to fly planes that actually made a difference in WWII. We already have P47M as the most common Jug and 3-cannon La7s as the standard Lala. The last thing we need is that the standard F4U will be the -4, which is (AFAIK) the last plane to enter service of the AH set. If that happens, HTC may as well add the F8F bearcat, DH Hornet, and Yak3P, and we will have a 1946 arena.