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Offline Gman

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What resolution with what sized monitor?
« on: October 28, 2014, 08:09:49 AM »
I've been playing on 24" 1080p since forever.  I usually played at the next step down from native resolution, not 19xx by 1080, but slightly lower.  I've been looking at Aces High on similar sized screens since it was created - the old Optiquest and Viewsonic 21" CRT monitors that were 1000$ back in the late 90's early 2000s were always found on my desk.

Well, I just spent 1000$ on another new monitor, and it's slightly larger at 27" and 1440p.  I've been playing mostly at native resolution with the new Gsync on.

My problem is - good holy god are the targets small.  The game looks fantastic in 1440p with sweetfx using AkAK settings, it truly does, but my only problem is hitting stuff now.  Got into some fights yesterday, got behind my first attacker, and I'm looking at him thinking, wow, something is sure different, he's pretty far away compared to when I usually come over the top.  Then I look at the range marker.  400 yards?!?!? What the he double hockey sticks?  He looked 800 or further away compared to what I'm used to.

Who else has experienced this, and is there anyway to get used to it or change it in some way?  Is it just a matter of getting used to it?  I remember back in the day guys like Drex and others who were the top duel pilots would reduce their resolution to 800x600 to make the targets larger and easier to see/hit, but that was in early days of 3d video cards and 17 or 19" crts that most people had.  Now a step from native 1080p 24" to native 1440p 27" seems like it's made everything twice as small.  It sure looks good though, in the 262 cockpit with everything in the nvidia control panel cranked in terms of AA and all that - suffice it to say it's pretty impressive coming from 1080p.  The new version I'm sure is going to look crazy good.  I'm just worried about accuracy, my one saving grace is I've always had a decent shot and snapshot, but that's gone right out the window now.

I have a 4k monitor on the way now, and this has me wondering at how useful it will be with AH.  Has anyone else used a 28" ish sized 4k monitor with AH?  I had ordered by the Rog Swift and the Acer Gsync 4k, intending to keep whichever came first, but they both shipped the same day, so when the 4k gets here, I'm going to take a look at it.  I know a lot of guys here game on larger TV sets at 60/120hz like Fugitive and others - do you have the same small target issue with the larger screen compared to typical 24" 1080p screens?
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Re: What resolution with what sized monitor?
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2014, 08:19:19 AM »
Quick question:  did you change the settings upon startup in AH after installing the new monitor?  Four weeks ago, I upgraded from 22" to 27", and when I first tested the game, the AH settings had the same 1680 x 1050 resolution.  When I changed it to 2560 x 1440, things looked right.
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Re: What resolution with what sized monitor?
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2014, 09:37:15 AM »
I don't have a 4K monitor, but I do run triple screen at 5990x1080 and yes, the targets can be smaller. View zoom helps. You might also want to play with the field of view settings but keel in mind the tradeoffs you will need to make.

Hopefully those are some help.
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Re: What resolution with what sized monitor?
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2014, 09:41:12 AM »
I have a 19" monitor with a desktop resolution of 1440x900 (maxed out), but when I run AH the resolution is only 1280x800. It's less stressful on my tiring computer and still lets me see cons from 10 sectors away.

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Re: What resolution with what sized monitor?
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2014, 09:48:03 AM »
As zerstroyer said above, try decreasing your field of view settings in preferences. <S>

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Re: What resolution with what sized monitor?
« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2014, 09:51:43 AM »
I have a triple monitor setup at 5940x1080 but I also have a TrackIR setup - and like Zerstorer recommends, zooming really really helps.

Quick questions:
1 - What are you using for FOV?
2 - I am assuming you are not using TrackIR or similar setup?
3 - have you considered saving funds on new monitors and getting the Oculus Rift when it comes out next year?

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Re: What resolution with what sized monitor?
« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2014, 09:53:48 AM »
I went from a 720p TV to a 1440P ASUS monitor and experienced the same thing you're talking about... everything was way too small.  Give yourself time to adjust and think about using zoom more than you did before.  On the old TV, the only time I ever zoomed in was the occasional glance to double check con orientation or shooting a runner.  Now, I zoom on everything that isn't a snapshot just about.  Shooting from zoom is the same as shooting without... you just have to give yourself time to figure out the sight picture.  
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Re: What resolution with what sized monitor?
« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2014, 10:29:29 AM »
I hadn't messed with the field of view, I give that a whirl.

I've always been a "zoomer", even in deflection shots I'll often zoom in a bit, but even zooming as I did before, targets are still pretty tiny.  I use trakIR, but flip it off when I get into fights as I'm still faster and better with the old hat system for now.  TIR doesn't make any difference on the size of the targets or objects in game.

One of the reasons I bought a single good monitor instead of going back to 3 screen surround was for when OR comes out, as I've read that it isn't optimal from various places with multi monitor setups. 

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Re: What resolution with what sized monitor?
« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2014, 10:44:50 AM »
I had a chance to try out an oculus rift setup over the weekend.  The view was near full scale.  In a P-38 it placed you in a perfect view position for the front wind screen.  When they get the resolution up and AH is setup for it, the rift setup will be the way to go.

On the P-38, I use 101 FOV down from an auto setting of 106.

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Re: What resolution with what sized monitor?
« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2014, 10:49:04 AM »
The default field of view for a 16:9 aspect ratio monitor is 106 degrees.  Try setting it to 45 degrees and then mess with it until you are happy.
The wider field of view allows you to track targets, without shifting your views.  If you are using track IR, then it is not a big deal to go to a narrower field of view as it is easier to track your targets.  

Ideally, you want the view from one point to the next to overlap by X amount, when using keys or buttons for view shifts.

There is another popular flight game which defaults to 35 degrees for its field of view.  Just for the sake of comparison.
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Re: What resolution with what sized monitor?
« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2014, 12:13:20 PM »
That seems to have made a bit of positive difference, TY Skuzzy and others.  Moving from 106 down to 45, and then working it up to around 80, has made things look a lot like they did before on my 24" 1080p resolution monitor so far as what the targets appeared like.  I'm already getting more used to it.

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Re: What resolution with what sized monitor?
« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2014, 12:19:43 PM »
GMan field of view is the same as zoom except it's not adjustable in game. You can experiment with different field of views by setting the FOV to max and then zooming in by steps. Zooming in decreases your field of view. Zooming out increases your field of view but is limited by your field of view setting.

Since zoom and field of view are the same, changing FOV changes the apparent aircraft size. High resolution just makes it look better.




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Re: What resolution with what sized monitor?
« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2014, 01:15:06 PM »
FOV is most certainly adjustable in the game.
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Re: What resolution with what sized monitor?
« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2014, 01:20:54 PM »
Thank god AH has an adjustable FOV, I wish every PC game had one (not counting stuff like editing the .ini files in the games to tweak it.) Some games, mostly FPS games, if they have a really narrow FOV it makes me motion sick and is just uncomfortable to play.

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Re: What resolution with what sized monitor?
« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2014, 02:37:41 PM »
Glad the FOV suggestion helped.   :aok

On a side note:  I'll likely be making some FOV adjustments soon.  I'm planning to change the layout of my triple screen setup based on this post over at SimHQ:

http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/4028296/Best_Inmersion_in_our_Cockpit#Post4028296

The pictures of the racing sims have given me a few ideas as well (the top board / screen is something I've wanted to try for a while.

I have a triple monitor setup at 5940x1080 but I also have a TrackIR setup - and like Zerstorer recommends, zooming really really helps.

What's your current FOV setting, Fork?  I believe mine is currently 145ish.   Just curious given our setups appear to be very similar.
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