Use Stocked Hanger to Replace ENY system

[Randy1]

The big deal here is the balance of the number of planes and GVs per model in a fresh hanger.  This very fact might make it work real well or suck badly as some have suggested.

I think those that like the P-47 and P-38 as an example would not mind too bad having to switch models if they ran out of say a P-38L or a P47D40.  From what I read and have seen in game with the Spits, Spit folks like to try different models of Spits.  Same with the 109 folks.  The planes like the P51 with just a couple of  models might be more difficult to balance.

I see it as another strategy in the game.  Do you save your 262s or blow them up front.  No carry over to next tour.  Use them or lose them.  Fly B29s in formation and risk a full set or take just one.
Fly a little less and have fun with your tigers.

I would think missions would need special attention in how they are setup so if you are out of B17s, you could up B24 as an example.

[hitech]

The big deal here is the balance of the number of planes and GVs per model in a fresh hanger.  This very fact might make it work real well or suck badly as some have suggested.

I think those that like the P-47 and P-38 as an example would not mind too bad having to switch models if they ran out of say a P-38L or a P47D40.  From what I read and have seen in game with the Spits, Spit folks like to try different models of Spits.  Same with the 109 folks.  The planes like the P51 with just a couple of  models might be more difficult to balance.

I see it as another strategy in the game.  Do you save your 262s or blow them up front.  No carry over to next tour.  Use them or lose them.  Fly B29s in formation and risk a full set or take just one.
Fly a little less and have fun with your tigers.

I would think missions would need special attention in how they are setup so if you are out of B17s, you could up B24 as an example.

What your system does not do is encourage flying high ENY value planes and also creates great problems when person likes one specific plane that is currently not perked.

HiTech

[bustr]

I think those that like the P-47 and P-38 as an example would not mind too bad having to switch models if they ran out of say a P-38L or a P47D40.  From what I read and have seen in game with the Spits, Spit folks like to try different models of Spits.  Same with the 109 folks.  The planes like the P51 with just a couple of  models might be more difficult to balance.

Until you can change this to "I know definitively a large enough percentage of players", you are making an assumption about their $14.95 and what it means to them that you are 100% clueless about. You then are placing HiTech in the position of having to find out for you, without you making any effort other than banging your keyboard.

How do you know that they would not mind?

Until you can answer this question, you are really talking about your feelings, and what you personally would like changed to tickle your fancy. They are being used as a construct in your presentation so you don't have to talk only about your feelings.
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A wish that would be more fair to yourself and your feelings would be this one:

I will bet at one time HiTech mused making two forums.

Forum A. - Is This A Good Game Idea for the Wishlist?

Forum B. - Wishlist

I think after 12 years interacting in these forums, he should have gone with both.

[FLS]

Good wishes tend to add choices for the player.

[Randy1]

What your system does not do is encourage flying high ENY value planes and also creates great problems when person likes one specific plane that is currently not perked.

HiTech

I do thank you for your direct reply.

 With a proper balance it would encourage use of a wider variety of planes and encourage GV play.  I would hate to lose my Tigers at Tours end. 

I do though understand the P-51 issue since there are only two models and the use numbers are way up there.  The P51 people most have, most often been, vocal about the ENY restrictions.  They do get hit the hardest.  They could be helped by a hanger balance system.  They might have to be more careful with their birds and that would offer a balance influence.  If balanced right, a solid P51 stick would have P-51Ds the whole tour.

Part of the hanger balance system is to add risk to the game and I would hope, more depth.

[bustr]

Randy why are you determined to limit customers, and assume HiTech will force them to be more careful with some magic balancing act, and they won't just go play WT or IL2?

You refuse to explain how you know what the majority will do other than you feel they will act reasonably or HiTech can just come up with something to force them in line.

In the face of how players act now at all times in the MA, where are you getting your intimate knowledge of the players\customers? HiTech has more background information on AH player dynamics and responsiveness dynamics because this is his business. Most of the responders who have questioned your wish have been here much longer than you and can draw from years of direct observation.

This is either you have a crystal ball or HiTech will have to use a giant stinky stick. There ain't no carrot sweet enough to get this community to agree to limit themselves in the manner of this wish after years of paying their money to get what they want when they want it within ENY limitations.

So how are you proposing to "force" customers to lower their expectations while devaluing what they have been purchasing all along for their hard earned $14.95? Or is that HiTech's head ach to figure out how to make a stick taste like a carrot for you? Players are not suddenly going to act with civil restraint about their rides and thank you for the carrot flavored stick HiTech is beating them with.

[The Fugitive]

I do thank you for your direct reply.

 With a proper balance it would encourage use of a wider variety of planes and encourage GV play.  I would hate to lose my Tigers at Tours end. 

I do though understand the P-51 issue since there are only two models and the use numbers are way up there.  The P51 people most have, most often been, vocal about the ENY restrictions.  They do get hit the hardest.  They could be helped by a hanger balance system.  They might have to be more careful with their birds and that would offer a balance influence.  If balanced right, a solid P51 stick would have P-51Ds the whole tour.

Part of the hanger balance system is to add risk to the game and I would hope, more depth.

This is all he is really looking for. It would be nice to see a wider variety of planes and GVs but forcing players to do it isn't the way to do it. Some are just here to haul as many big bombs as they can to drop as much as they can in one trip to help capture as many bases as they can. It is far easier to have a "feeling of accomplishment" working with a team than on ones own. After all if you suck a team can carry you a bit more. This is the biggest reason many players never try other planes and GVs, nor try to get better at the few they do use. They are too busy lawndarting their way to a "win"!

[pembquist]

The big deal here is the balance of the number of planes and GVs per model in a fresh hanger.  This very fact might make it work real well or suck badly as some have suggested.

I think those that like the P-47 and P-38 as an example would not mind too bad having to switch models if they ran out of say a P-38L or a P47D40.  From what I read and have seen in game with the Spits, Spit folks like to try different models of Spits.  Same with the 109 folks.  The planes like the P51 with just a couple of  models might be more difficult to balance.

I see it as another strategy in the game.  Do you save your 262s or blow them up front.  No carry over to next tour.  Use them or lose them.  Fly B29s in formation and risk a full set or take just one.
Fly a little less and have fun with your tigers.

I would think missions would need special attention in how they are setup so if you are out of B17s, you could up B24 as an example.

It sounds like a fine system but not for AH2. I have to admit that the irrevocability of loss gives special events there extra spice. However for ordinary game play I think it would kind of suck compared to being able to fly whatever you want when you want (except eny, but you get the idea.)

[Randy1]

 

This is the most misunderstood wish . . . ever.

[FLS]

You want to "encourage" people to do what they don't choose to do. They apparently don't know what's good for them. 

[Randy1]

You want to "encourage" people to do what they don't choose to do. They apparently don't know what's good for them. 

The system does not do that.  Again, it is totals misunderstood.  Seems like everyone fears losing their uber ride.  They would not.

I give up.

[hitech]

This is the most misunderstood wish . . . ever.

I 100% understand your wish. But like most people you are not following the rules when thinking about ideas.

You must ask and be very honest with yourself, what are the down sides of "my idea", and not only the things you like about the idea. Ask yourself how will it change players behavior. Try think of your own choices under different situations .

Say you like flying lower but non perked planes. You only have 1 or 2 left. You have just created a "FORCE" that pushes people to fly more timid then they do today. In fact overall you have put more weight on not dieing in general because you will loose a plane. This is a FORCE "wish to live" that must be very carefully dealt with in an open arena environment.

The reason is that if the high priority in a discussion tree is the "need to live". I.E. A loss greatly out weighs a victory. The game very quickly degrades to nothing but chasing each other around, and people only attack when they are at a major advantage.

HiTech

[Randy1]

I 100% understand your wish. But like most people you are not following the rules when thinking about ideas.

You must ask and be very honest with yourself, what are the down sides of "my idea", and not only the things you like about the idea. Ask yourself how will it change players behavior. Try think of your own choices under different situations .

Say you like flying lower but non perked planes. You only have 1 or 2 left. You have just created a "FORCE" that pushes people to fly more timid then they do today. In fact overall you have put more weight on not dieing in general because you will loose a plane. This is a FORCE "wish to live" that must be very carefully dealt with in an open arena environment.

The reason is that if the high priority in a discussion tree is the "need to live". I.E. A loss greatly out weighs a victory. The game very quickly degrades to nothing but chasing each other around, and people only attack when they are at a major advantage.

HiTech

I have a hard time arguing with your reply.  I had not considered the depth of the "Need to live" in the AH environment my wish might provoke.  I saw it as an opportunity to expand ones skills and let that limit my evaluation of the hanger stock wish.  Your points are well taken.  I will just let this wish slip away.

I will say a lot of my thoughts for a stocked hanger came from flying the P47M for a couple of tours.  All my stats went up and up.  Man I loved the killing power of the P47M but my skills in fighting to survive dropped because you don't have to fight with the speed of the 47M although you certainly can fight in the M.  Close fast, kill, then swoop up and away.  No need to fight.

The wish was with good intent.

[pembquist]

I saw it as an opportunity to expand ones skills and let that limit my evaluation of the hanger stock wish

The wish was with good intent.

I don't intend to be argumentative but everyone is free to expand there skills with lower performance planes as it is. You get the bewildered responses because your trying to force people to do something a lot of them already do. I would say if you want to encourage this kind of skill expansion don't take away the choice but argue for a higher reward for flying the older stuff. But really, it is rewarding in its own right anyway.

[Ack-Ack]

I think those that like the P-47 and P-38 as an example would not mind too bad having to switch models if they ran out of say a P-38L or a P47D40. 

I would mind.

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