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Re: F-35C Joint Strike Fighter Traps Aboard A Carrier For The First Time
« Reply #30 on: November 09, 2014, 12:16:53 AM »
How many aircraft it can carry? Regardless of number it will be less with every sortie, and I bet it will go down after the first anti ship missile attack. It may intercept 5 at once but there will be 20 going at mach 3, it wont even need to detonate.

The Russian Air Force currently operates 38 fighter squadrons and 15 bomber squadrons. The US Navy currently has 9 Carrier Air Wings with 4 F/A-18 squadrons each for a total of 36 attack squadrons. In addition each carrier has a squadron of EW aircraft like the EA-6 and EA-18.

The USN currently has one carrier being refuled, and two new carriers are under construction. So within a few years it will operate 12 super carriers with 48 attack squadrons.
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Re: F-35C Joint Strike Fighter Traps Aboard A Carrier For The First Time
« Reply #31 on: November 09, 2014, 08:59:10 AM »
Perhaps there's a communication problem here. I don't get your question? European armies have marched into Africa on countless times since the beginning of time. Some armies have marched as far as India and South-East Asia. Asian armies (the Mongols in particular) have marched into Europe. The Persians marched into Europe. Africans (Moors) held the Iberian peninsula (Spain, Portugal) for 200 years, and it took another 300 years for the European kingdoms to completely drive them out.

Were not interested in the 1600s, or BC for that matter. You just dont simply "march" a modern mechanized force thousands of miles. The armor you dont "march" anywheres. You have to move it by ship or rails, let alone the logistical support, let alone the troops, let alone needing to control the airspace. Look at what it took to move those heavy Corp to Saudi in Gulf-1. It took countless ships and trains along with the OK and help of many countries. And it took months to do along a supply chain that was not under attack. From the time of the Iraqi invasion to the time of the coalition attacking on the ground took almost 6 mos, and even then some commanders said we werent yet ready.

And that was NATO at its peak. America at its peak. The Russians and Chinese dont even come close when it comes to projecting power. So methinks theres little chance the Chinese will pull a Genghis Khan and march or ride into Africa. They would have a hard enough time "marching" into Vietnam, "they failed in '79", and they cant even take an Island 90 miles off their coast.
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Re: F-35C Joint Strike Fighter Traps Aboard A Carrier For The First Time
« Reply #32 on: November 09, 2014, 09:46:37 AM »
Everybody fails in Vietnam, but that's besides the point. The distance the German mechanized army advanced into Russia in WWII, is roughly the distance from Turkey to China. At its peak the Eastern Front was as wide as the distance from Turkey to India. You can drive a car, on the road, from the North Cape in northern Norway all the way to Vietnam if you want (and if you can get all the visas...) The road network and rail network across the Eurasian landmass is extensive. And yes, the German panzers drove and fought all the way from Poland to the suburbs of Moscow, and to Stalingrad, and to the Caucasus.






In 2004 Ewan McGregor and Charlie Boorman drove this route on motorcycles.

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« Reply #33 on: November 09, 2014, 10:02:32 AM »
Ah, the classic debate between people who have actually served in a modern military force and armchair commandos.
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« Reply #34 on: November 09, 2014, 11:48:38 AM »
I think Rich also have served. Not sure if it was in the army though.
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Re: F-35C Joint Strike Fighter Traps Aboard A Carrier For The First Time
« Reply #35 on: November 09, 2014, 05:20:08 PM »
So within a few years it will operate 12 super carriers with 48 attack squadrons.

So 12 torpedoes is all the chinese need then   :devil

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« Reply #36 on: November 09, 2014, 10:20:17 PM »
No I was in USAF and know the difference between 1941 and 2014. There would be no secret build up of forces today, no surprises. Hell in 1941 most of the Soviet supply chain, and much of the German one, was still pulled by horses. Attacking with a modern combined arms force is a very intricate operation today, as is keeping it supplied.

Theres plenty of evidence of how difficult it is with the examples of Gulf 1 and Iraq 2. The Russians and Chinese just dont have that capability to project power like that. And they sure as hell cant do it in secret.

Of all the dumb things your saying the comparisons your trying to make between today, WW2, and maybe the Romans leave me dumbfounded. You just dont pick up and say "everyone run south for 1,000 miles" and expect it to work.

Even we had clusterfracks supplying attacking troops in Iraq-2. An attack that wasnt secret to anybody. Lol how in hell would the Russians or Chinese even get to the middle east? Neither have much amphib capability, neither have an Air Force able to support the operation, and neither have the navy able to protect it. The Soviets messed up an operation on their border and the current Russian force, comparatively, is a shadow of the Soviet one of Dec. 1979.

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WTF does that have to do with moving modern armies?
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Re: F-35C Joint Strike Fighter Traps Aboard A Carrier For The First Time
« Reply #37 on: November 10, 2014, 01:27:36 AM »
Have you noticed?..


Based on the hook size alone... it isn't very impressive aircraft. Look how tinyit is!



It seems that the "legacy" carrier fighters have much more impressive hook:





Even some tiny planes have a huge hook in comparison to the "state of the art" multi-billion dollar aircraft.






Now I'm not surprised it had problems hooking up the carrier...  :rofl
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Re: F-35C Joint Strike Fighter Traps Aboard A Carrier For The First Time
« Reply #38 on: November 10, 2014, 09:58:44 AM »
Have you noticed?..


Based on the hook size alone... it isn't very impressive aircraft. Look how tinyit is!

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It seems that the "legacy" carrier fighters have much more impressive hook:

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Even some tiny planes have a huge hook in comparison to the "state of the art" multi-billion dollar aircraft.

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Now I'm not surprised it had problems hooking up the carrier...  :rofl

LOL! It is on the small end, IIRC, it looked about the size of an F-16.

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Re: F-35C Joint Strike Fighter Traps Aboard A Carrier For The First Time
« Reply #39 on: November 10, 2014, 10:36:39 AM »
See Rule #14
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Re: F-35C Joint Strike Fighter Traps Aboard A Carrier For The First Time
« Reply #40 on: November 10, 2014, 10:37:28 AM »
Have you noticed?..


Based on the hook size alone... it isn't very impressive aircraft. Look how tinyit is!

(Image removed from quote.)

It seems that the "legacy" carrier fighters have much more impressive hook:

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(Image removed from quote.)

Even some tiny planes have a huge hook in comparison to the "state of the art" multi-billion dollar aircraft.

(Image removed from quote.)




Now I'm not surprised it had problems hooking up the carrier...  :rofl

It's not the size of the hook, it's how you use it. ;)
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Re: F-35C Joint Strike Fighter Traps Aboard A Carrier For The First Time
« Reply #41 on: November 10, 2014, 12:40:38 PM »
It's not the size of the hook, it's how you use it. ;)

Especially when "hooking up."
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Re: F-35C Joint Strike Fighter Traps Aboard A Carrier For The First Time
« Reply #42 on: November 10, 2014, 07:22:19 PM »
See Rules #2, #4
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Re: F-35C Joint Strike Fighter Traps Aboard A Carrier For The First Time
« Reply #44 on: November 11, 2014, 03:00:18 PM »
Ah, the classic debate between people who have actually served in a modern military force and armchair commandos.

Yes, because seeking the advice of a PFC who shot himself in the leg on the rifle range is how wars are won.   :lol