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Offline The Fugitive

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Re: Could use some Veteran advice.
« Reply #15 on: November 08, 2014, 09:30:04 AM »
Don't know whether my opinion is worth much here, but here it is  :D

Background, Navy from 76-80 (was off the coast of Iran during the hostage crises), basically working the same job since then because it's a job I enjoy (repairing vending machines).

I almost stayed in the NAVY. Iran was getting pushy and I didn't want to be in the middle of a war and so got out. That 20 years looks easy after the first 4 are over. My cousin did his full stint through desert shield and desert storm and is now a fitness instructor at a YMCA with full benefits, tough life  :P

You are young and basically "free" at this time. You mentioned flight controller, see if there is a chance you can switch over to that. Im sure they will ask for more time added on, but that will put you in the position of being about half way through your full stint. By then you will know if it is the job for you or not. I fell into my job and found I loved being on the road driving from spot to spot fixing machines and still being home for dinner each night. If you find that recruiting, or traffic control is that thing that makes you happy then go for it. Now is the time to look for and find that thing you love to do and make money at it.

You can make a lot of money at coding but if you hate coding you won't last long. Believe it or not you can live with less money and be more happy than if you have a bunch rolling in and your miserable.

So basically, if your happy doing what your doing, keep at it. If your ok with the lifestyle your in stick with it and get more training and experience, pad your "bank" with as much as you can. Down the road you'll have more options open to you.   

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Re: Could use some Veteran advice.
« Reply #16 on: November 09, 2014, 09:47:01 PM »
You are 25 with a bad knee. In the blink of an eye you are gonna be 40 with an even worse knee. Get it fixed and look ahead about 20 years not 3 years. What do you envision yourself doing? Think about your financial situation. What education or job skills do I have or can I get to live comfortably pre retirement and most importantly POST retirement? If you dont have a plan in place and just hope on winging it, good luck. The people looking for jobs far out number the jobs available right now and I dont see it getting better in the next few years. Not trying to scare you but the world will look a whole lot scarier for you at age 40, 50, 60 and so on if you havent taken the proper steps to prepare.

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Re: Could use some Veteran advice.
« Reply #17 on: November 09, 2014, 11:02:49 PM »
Thank you all for the advice and all of it helps!!

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Re: Could use some Veteran advice.
« Reply #18 on: November 10, 2014, 12:16:06 AM »
junky stick around the services for as long as you can while taking classes.  you can always quit later but the later you quit the better.  I wish I had stuck around a bit longer.



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Re: Could use some Veteran advice.
« Reply #19 on: November 10, 2014, 12:40:57 AM »
If you already know what you want to do for a career. Start is as soon as possible. the sooner you start, the better pay you will have when you are older. Along with benefits and leave.
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Re: Could use some Veteran advice.
« Reply #20 on: November 10, 2014, 05:10:13 AM »
JunkyII,

You've had some excellent advice given to you in this thread and I am going to add a bit of spice to it because I was actually a USMC Recruiter during the post Viet Nam era from 1976-1979 and I can tell you from personal experience that Recruiting Duty is the toughest duty you will ever pull in Military Service, apart from actual combat!

Why...it's because it's like you're in combat every single day and every single thing you do, or say, will be subject to scrutiny by the public. You will have few, if any days off. You will eat, sleep, drink, breathe, and talk nothing but Army, day in, and day out. If you say something that offends someone, even though they mistook your meaning or intention, it is bad press, and bad press is bad for Army Recruiting, and you will be held responsible by your Command. If you are married, you will seldom see your wife, and it is a sad statistic that an extremely large percentage of the marriages of recruiters end in divorce due to the huge time commitment a recruiter must make away from his family.

You will have an enlistment and shipment quota to meet each month. If you fail to meet quota, you fail to make Mission! If you fail to make quota often enough your career may suffer. On the other hand, if you are so desperate to make quota and you fail to follow proper screening and enlistment procedures and actually fraud someone into the Army for the sake of making quota, I guarantee you your career will suffer! You may even spend some time in jail! Back when I was recruiting our service number was tied to each recruit we enlisted for the duration of that recruit's enlistment. So, not only were the number of recruits enlisted tracked, but the quality of the recruit enlisted was tracked! What that meant was, if you showed a pattern of enlisting substandard recruits your career would definitely not be having many more good days.

Recruiting Duty is a sales position. Think about this statement a bit because this is the crux of recruiting. What you are actually selling a potential enlistee is (unless the military obligation has changed since I enlisted), six years of his/her life, with (x) years on active duty (during which time he/she may encounter combat and be killed) and the remainder to be served in active, or inactive reserve. Since you are on active duty, you bought this line...can you sell it day in and day out, 24 hours a day, seven days a week for several years? And just one other thing to mention...Recruiting Duty will teach you to learn more about the Army and it's opportunities (because that is also what you are selling) so it may help you further your career by opening your eyes to other fields within the Army.

My advice to you at age 25 (I was 25 my first year of Recruiting Duty) is this: if you are not going to stay in the Army for the full 20, then get out now, before recruiting school, if possible, and use what G.I. benefits you have to get schooling, or learn a trade. If you are going to make the Army a career, then embrace Recruiting Duty and move forward and don't look back!

As for your knee...pay the out of pocket expense to get a civilian opinion and compare it to the opinion the Army gives you. Not knowing your circumstance I cannot advise you further on this issue. I will, however, mention that I was raised in the Army and that the Army provided me with all of my medical care as a youth until my father retired in 1962, but then resumed it's responsibility to me when I enlisted in the Army in 1968 (I had two periods of service in two branches). During my tenure under Army Medical Care I was stitched up 5 times, had 3 broken bones repaired, suffered through all of the normal childhood diseases and suffered through all of the childhood and adult inoculations. In 1957 I was administered an experimental Rabies Vaccine for a dog bite while we were station in France. Did you know that the Rabies Virus is more lethal than the Ebola Virus? I survived the inoculation. The dog that bit me did not survive. The Army had given my parents a choice between me dieing of the Rabies Virus, or me  dieing from the Rabies Vaccine. Mom had been an Army Nurse in WWII where she met Dad who was recovering from wounds after three years of combat in the Pacific...they trusted Army Medical Care.


You have a lot to think about. Take some time and talk seriously with your Army Career Planer and make your knee issue known (he's probably a former Recruiter and he has a quota also, so be alert to sales techniques). Most importantly, don't give up on what you really want.

OH! Just as an aside...I failed to mention another Recruiting statistic: almost 90% of single Recruiters end their tours married! DOH!









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Re: Could use some Veteran advice.
« Reply #21 on: November 10, 2014, 01:41:24 PM »
Just wanted to dip in and say great post Patches, I really enjoyed reading that.

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Re: Could use some Veteran advice.
« Reply #22 on: November 10, 2014, 01:56:10 PM »
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Why...it's because it's like you're in combat every single day and every single thing you do, or say, will be subject to scrutiny by the public. You will have few, if any days off. You will eat, sleep, drink, breathe, and talk nothing but Army, day in, and day out. If you say something that offends someone, even though they mistook your meaning or intention, it is bad press, and bad press is bad for Army Recruiting, and you will be held responsible by your Command. If you are married, you will seldom see your wife, and it is a sad statistic that an extremely large percentage of the marriages of recruiters end in divorce due to the huge time commitment a recruiter must make away from his family.

Which is why I sat down and typed a letter of thank you and commendation to the C.O. of the recruiter who took care of the son. I never told him until the end I was a USAF vet, let alone I knew the answers to "most" of the questions my kid had. The SSGT was straight and professional and didnt blow smoke up my kids Butt, like mine did lol, so I felt he deserved to shine in his commanders eyes.

I dont write many such letters and when I do they are earned. And they help a young NCO taking on a recruiters job so if anyone has a kid joining and feels like the recruiter earned it I'd encourage them to write his C.O. and say so.
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Re: Could use some Veteran advice.
« Reply #23 on: November 10, 2014, 06:10:33 PM »
JunkyII,

During my tenure under Army Medical Care I was stitched up 5 times, had 3 broken bones repaired, suffered through all of the normal childhood diseases and suffered through all of the childhood and adult inoculations. In 1957 I was administered an experimental Rabies Vaccine for a dog bite while we were station in France. Did you know that the Rabies Virus is more lethal than the Ebola Virus? I survived the inoculation. The dog that bit me did not survive. The Army had given my parents a choice between me dieing of the Rabies Virus, or me  dieing from the Rabies Vaccine.


Patches,

Thank you for proving the vaccine would not kill humans. Bet it was called the Pasture Series. 21 intramuscular shots into the abdominal muscles. Felt like every day for 10 days someone was stabbing you in the stomach with 2 inch long finishing nails. 1963 in Peshawar Pakistan at the Peshawar Air Station 6937th CG U2 ground control station. A rabid bat bit me when I was 7. Back when the military still shipped family's to remote stations. Three months after I received my series, the three shot series to the arm or thigh muscles came out.

They always thought a cobra or krait would get us kids. We ended up in the infirmary for broken bones, removal of home made arrows and toy swords and spears, sewing up from falls and spills from bicycles jousting. No snake bites. When the 300 Spartans movie came through, we kids all rounded up every trash can lid on the station, and re-fought Thermopile. Same with every medieval epic, roman or greek war movie that showed at the base theater. Pre computer game carnage. Explaining why there was an arrow in my leg or needing stiches to an AP when I was 5-7 was a common place event for us kids. 

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Re: Could use some Veteran advice.
« Reply #24 on: November 11, 2014, 07:40:17 AM »
Hey Junky, many moons ago a friend of mine was a WO helo (sorry, "chopper"  :D) pilot. If your knee is up to it, that might be a possibility. But I have no idea what the Army requires for WOs.

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« Reply #25 on: November 12, 2014, 06:21:05 AM »

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Patches,

Thank you for proving the vaccine would not kill humans. Bet it was called the Pasture Series. 21 intramuscular shots into the abdominal muscles. Felt like every day for 10 days someone was stabbing you in the stomach with 2 inch long finishing nails. 1963 in Peshawar Pakistan at the Peshawar Air Station 6937th CG U2 ground control station. A rabid bat bit me when I was 7. Back when the military still shipped family's to remote stations. Three months after I received my series, the three shot series to the arm or thigh muscles came out.

Hey, Bustr! Welcome to the Rabies Club!  LOL!  Yeah, they hurt like...well, you described it very accurately! In addition to the abdominal shots I also received bicyllin shots in the thighs and those buggers hurt like the dickens!

But! As you so eloquently described, kids are tough and resilient.

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Why...it's because it's like you're in combat every single day and every single thing you do, or say, will be subject to scrutiny by the public. You will have few, if any days off. You will eat, sleep, drink, breathe, and talk nothing but Army, day in, and day out. If you say something that offends someone, even though they mistook your meaning or intention, it is bad press, and bad press is bad for Army Recruiting, and you will be held responsible by your Command. If you are married, you will seldom see your wife, and it is a sad statistic that an extremely large percentage of the marriages of recruiters end in divorce due to the huge time commitment a recruiter must make away from his family.

Which is why I sat down and typed a letter of thank you and commendation to the C.O. of the recruiter who took care of the son. I never told him until the end I was a USAF vet, let alone I knew the answers to "most" of the questions my kid had. The SSGT was straight and professional and didnt blow smoke up my kids Butt, like mine did lol, so I felt he deserved to shine in his commanders eyes.

I dont write many such letters and when I do they are earned. And they help a young NCO taking on a recruiters job so if anyone has a kid joining and feels like the recruiter earned it I'd encourage them to write his C.O. and say so.

Rich46yo,

I thank you for taking the time to write a letter of appreciation to the CO of your Son's recruiter. Letters such as yours were extremely rare during my recruiting tour so I can appreciate it's value to the Recruiter, and his Command.

When I read about this in your post it reminded me of a time during recruiting duty (1976) when I was an enrolled student at a community college and I was wearing my uniform on campus. It was between classes and I was passing through the Student Union Hall to get to my next class and I was suddenly surrounded by a group of student activists and the leader, a female, asked loudly, "What right do have to be on this Campus?". Mind you, I'm in uniform, I am a Viet Nam Veteran and I really did not take kindly to her tone, nor her insinuation, but I remained calm and professional, and simply replied, " Ma'am, it's people like me who make it possible for people like you to ask the question you just asked."...and I calmly walked away amid a swell of applause that I did not expect. I fully expected that my Command would hear about this encounter (they did) and would crucify me (they didn't) and I was quite certain my career was at an end. Recruiting Duty is like walking through a minefield that is not only full of mines, but also full of tripwires and tangle-foot to boot! The stress of Recruiting Duty is unbelievable! You never know when something you say or do, or something someone overheard you say and misinterpreted what you said, will come back to haunt you.







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Re: Could use some Veteran advice.
« Reply #26 on: November 12, 2014, 08:19:24 AM »
Yeah these colleges have some real screwballs among them. Even the High Schools do, most of all among the faculty.

What I despise most among them is that #1 they cant tell the difference between the decision makers who send troops into combat and the troops themselves who simply have no choice but to follow orders. #2 I dont even think it matters to them because they are caught up in their own narcissism, thinking their opinions are so GD important and their crusade against the great American Institutions so just. Morons!

Thats one thing spending 18 mos in a 3rd world ghetto,carrying a black rifle, will teach you. To appreciate America, its freedoms, and most of all honor those who have worn the uniform to preserve and defend it. I admire your ability to deal with these college goofballs as a recruiter. I couldn't do it.
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