Why not cheat?

[Eagler]

someone is cheating to beat us Rooks ? LOL

that's sad considering we are usually outnumbered and out fielded at least 2 to 1 by any other country.

as someone else said "what a tard"

[AKDejaVu]

"Who fricking cares?"

I for one do. That behavior and it's condolence by some is detrimental to AH imo.

Your worried about what is detrimental to AH and you still participate in this thread?  Something of a paradox.

 

I'd prefer AH had a 'mature' and "simulation bent" image to the online public versus one that reflects dweebery like this

Please... offer your definition of mature so that everyone knows how to behave.

Here's my definition: Maturity is not worrying about what everyone else is doing.

 

as I'd rathe "fly and fight" with people who are out to have fun versus trying to ruin others enjoyment.

Wait... I thought you were looking for something "simulation bent"?  You mean espionage is not realistic?  You mean taking precautions against it is not realistic?

People will act like tards no matter where you go.  It is unrealistic to think that AH should be some kind of safehaven from them.  This place is not in existance on the web.

It then becomes a matter of the maturity level being defined by how the community acts towards such events/dweebs.  I'm sorry, but "WITCH HUNT!" does not fall in that category.  "YOU'RE RUINING OUR FUN!!!" doesn't either.  I fail to see how it is mature to be so easily manipulated by a moron.

You want maturity?  Learn to ignore these people.  Learn to work around them.  Learn to cope.  Until then, you fall into a different category... its just not a category that is more mature... it only involves more whining.

AKDejaVu

[Westy MOL]

"People will act like tards no matter where
you go"

 That's what your post boiled down to. You want to play semantics with the rest of my post have fun. I'm not interested.

 OF course people will act like tards. However it's up to the players to help define what is acceptable and not. I feel that what you're saying is that you think "anything goes" is fine. It's ok. You had a problem with HTC's "potty werd" filter too did you not?  I take it from you that you believe the recipient of these unwelcome and undesirable actions is supposed to do nothing about what they feel is wrong? To just ignore it. Well, that doesn't work as this is the internet. Unsavory behavior multiplies with the lack of action and a will by players to be part of something that's they'd like to be more than a shallow kiddie pool.

 What do you stand to lose if assinine behavior like this is resisted and players work to decrease it? Why participate in this topic yourself if behavior such as this means nothing to you and you can easily ignore it?

 Westy

[AKDejaVu]

"People will act like tards no matter where
you go"
That's what your post boiled down to.

You missed the other part of it.  People will also act like hollier-than-thou salamanders no matter where you go.  One begets the other.

You feel that it is better to be in one of these two camps than the other.  I'd personally rather see neither.

Basically... without one, there is no vindication for the other.. they die out.  You promote each other's existance.

AKDejaVu

[Westy MOL]

"I'd personally rather see neither"

 Impossible.  But only we can decide how much of either is wanted and allowed to exist.

 I'm not holier than thou even though you can try and label me as such. I'm pretty darn liberal in fact (imo anyway). How about you call me elitist or a snob if anything? I just prefer an entertainment environment free of foul mouthed little nitts (cough) like JoeDirt or Gunman26, a game/sim where cheating is not tolerated and a place where the online community doesn't resemble a kids game of hide and seek with little Johnny AK shouting "here he is, here he is!" and giving someones hiding spot away.

 Westy

[AKDejaVu]

If you use the term "ruin my fun" you are a hollier-than-thou salamander.  Only one person ruins your fun.

As for wether or not it is possible... sure it is.  Without one, the other disappears.  Will they rear their ugly heads from time to time?  Yep.  Of course, it will simply be a polarity test to check for the opositely charged knob.  No response... no need to stay.  Of course, neither side can accept this because it would mean nullifying their justification for their actions.

AKDejaVu

[Westy MOL]

No. I think you're wrong.

 Just as when in a movie theatre, a restaraunt or a pub I should not be expected to put up with unwanted behavior. there is an expected code of conduct no matter where you go. Some places have none and other are more stringent. If the clientelle and managment of those places condone such activity by being complacent and turngin a blind eye to it then they deserve the rep the places get. Some customers (such as I) may wish for it not to be that way and will try to help things out.

 Whats your excuse and position?

 I'll be clearer and more to the point for you.

 In AH I hope that such community bonding things such as respect, decencty and couresy flourish. In an anarchy, which is essentially what you espouse, none of them exist.

 Basically to me these three things mean ("you" and "yours" mean to any arena player, not you particularly),

 respect: I fly my way, you fly yours. Don't tell me how to fly in the
arena nor tell me what I should be doing while in there. And definately
don't rat out on what I may be doing as far as ops against other
non-friendly players.

 courtesy:  just say nothing or at most give a <S> "nice fight" when
you're shot down. Can it with the "you'd not gotten me if you hadn't
warped" crap or "fediddleing warp on demand cheater assh0le!!" baloney.
And if you get shot down in a chute who cares. Don't bail next time.
Got vulched? Take smart pills and go use another field. No other
fields? Then swap countries for the time being.

and

 decency: who cares if you hit a fediddleing tree that was in your way
when you took off and you're such a toejamty pilot you couldn't get airborne
before hitting it. Or your fediddleing dumb bellybutton wings ripped off because
you dove too fast. Or some fediddleing warping bastard shot you down. Or that
you feel it is your duty to inform the arena that AH suxors big camel
units and you think brand XXX is the best sim online. Take your lumps and
learn. To many have spent far too much time getting the "whine" down pretty
good while lacking in actual onlin fighting/combat skills.


 To me ratting out other players intentions, cheating to compensate for
being endowed with "little ones" and being unable to control ones impulse
to type out swears online violate all three of thoise.

 Again this is all IMO. I just wonder why you feel the need constanlty take a civil disobedient stance and once again back the negative, non productive position?

 Westy

[ 10-24-2001: Message edited by: Westy MOL ]

[AKDejaVu]

respect: I fly my way, you fly yours. Don't tell me how to fly in the
arena nor tell me what I should be doing while in there.

Great idea... but...

 

And definately
don't rat out on what I may be doing as far as ops against other
non-friendly players.

For that second part, don't you mean "excuse me while I tell you exactly what you can or cannot do."?

As for your movie example... you seem to be the type that would go to a porno and complain that the guy 3 rows over was jerking off.

Or.. how about this.. is it bad that someone is being disturbing in the theater?  Is it worse when someone gets up and confronts them about it?  Please... tell me how the latter eases the situation or helps in the slightest.

 

To me ratting out other players intentions, cheating to compensate for
being endowed with "little ones" and being unable to control ones impulse
to type out swears online violate all three of thoise.

Wow.. hard to argue with that one westy.  Dare I say.. there is no need to argue with it.  You prove my point ever so eloquently.  Let's put quotes around all "insert dirty word here" statements and then follow it with condemnation of swearing.

The word has meaning?  What is more important.. the word or the meaning?  Please... stick to your "you can say anything as aweful as you want as long as you don't use dirty words" argument as long as you want.  Just don't try to argue for a more mature audience at the same time.

And please, stick to "don't dell me what to do" while defining "what is acceptable" argument too.

They are both peaches!

Done with this one.. the horse done died.

AKDejaVu

[Pongo]

Deja at his worst.

[SKurj]

I guess if you swap sides to give info, its worse than PAYING for a second account so that you can fly for the other team and give info?

A guy who has two accounts helps you and AH, he pays for 2 accounts yet only uses the same bandwidth as single account players +) therefor taking nothing away from the rest of us.


SKurj

[Ripsnort]

he's just pissed because:

A)Oregon had the the longest running home win streak as of last friday...had...

B) it rains alot in Oregon, depression starts to set in right about now.

[Eagler]

Originally posted by Pongo:
Deja at his worst.

I think he's upset because someone complained about him at the movies  

[Tumor]

Originally posted by AKDejaVu:


Wait... I thought you were looking for something "simulation bent"?  You mean espionage is not realistic?  You mean taking precautions against it is not realistic?

People will act like tards no matter where you go.  It is unrealistic to think that AH should be some kind of safehaven from them.  This place is not in existance on the web.

It then becomes a matter of the maturity level being defined by how the community acts towards such events/dweebs.  I'm sorry, but "WITCH HUNT!" does not fall in that category.  "YOU'RE RUINING OUR FUN!!!" doesn't either.  I fail to see how it is mature to be so easily manipulated by a moron.

You want maturity?  Learn to ignore these people.  Learn to work around them.  Learn to cope.  Until then, you fall into a different category... its just not a category that is more mature... it only involves more whining.

AKDejaVu

.....shuddup Deja, sheesh.

Tumor

[JV44]

Hello guys!

Ah come one, cool down....

We here in germany still know that companys from US collect information about us factorys and development, and still some company fires americans here in germany after find out they give secrets to Us-Companys....

And Im also sure our companies will do exactly the same with US-Companys....


But, so what? Thats the game... And we are still allied and still be friends...  

I get shoot down 5 times before I get a kill but everybody who kills me get some friendly words on open channel, because its a game  

So if some of you abuse about spying its ok, but no one in germany would declare war to US because your country try to get informations about german science and factorys.... And also you do not start a war because Daimler Benz buy Chrysler  

Lets have some fun and meet mostly nice poeple in AH, ok?

 

JV44 (Andreas)

[Apache]

Originally posted by Eagler:


I think he's upset because someone complained about him at the movies  

hehehe Eagler. He shoulda been further than 3 rows away, huh?