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Re: Ferguson
« Reply #30 on: November 25, 2014, 08:38:42 AM »
   Looters would be shot if I had to defend my property during a hurricane or other disaster. Why is this different. Where is the National Guard? It's not like they didn't know what would happen. Good People do not break the law protesting the perceived breaking of the law.
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« Reply #31 on: November 25, 2014, 08:59:46 AM »
 When I read about St. Louis this story comes in my mind;  Some of this poor suburbs of St. Louis  has been used in 50s-60s by diabolic army minds secretly spraying radioactive particles to test chemical wafare technology;
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2210415/Revealed-Army-scientists-secretly-sprayed-St-Louis-radioactive-particles-YEARS-test-chemical-warfare-technology.html#ixzz3K5jCb4Sp

documentary, unbelievable using their own population as lab rats; I understand why young generation of people around the world are losing trust in governments;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMlu0KfZRd0

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« Reply #32 on: November 25, 2014, 09:06:43 AM »
not ...  much ... say

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If I mistook what you wrote or missed the sarcasm I apologize. Your #2 lesson just gets me fired up because that's what the idiot protestors actually believe happened. They believe that the officer shot an innocent kid with his hands in the air. I have two law enforcement officers in my family and one has been shot 3 times during a crime. He still has a bullet lodged in him that the doctors cannot remove. These criminals protesting the police for doing their job just gets personal for me. The officers in Ferguson cannot win, CNN's coverage was basically blasting the officers for using tear gas last night. It is a bad situation made worse by the media. I apologize if I took your post out of context or miscomprehended it.

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« Reply #33 on: November 25, 2014, 09:12:01 AM »
It must have been awfull for the cops to be powerless against the mobs looting. Lucky looters, in Russia the looters would come back to their own cars set on fire by the cops.  :banana: Karma. Listening to the scaners yesterday night, I couldn't help thinking of the looters gathering around a thankgiving table on Thursday after how negatively they impacted so many lives in the name of greed.  :cry
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« Reply #34 on: November 25, 2014, 09:20:56 AM »
Yes it is terrible.  A police officer must act as trained. That's why we don't mess with cops and know if we do there is a good chance I'll die. Long story short, hope cooler heads prevail.  :bolt:

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« Reply #35 on: November 25, 2014, 09:32:43 AM »
Yes it is terrible.  A police officer must act as trained. That's why we don't mess with cops and know if we do there is a good chance I'll die. Long story short, hope cooler heads prevail.  :bolt:

That is correct! If you slam the door on a patrol car that an officer is trying to get out of and reach into the patrol car window and throw punches at the cop before reaching for the cop's gun you can (and should imho) be shot and killed. Don't break the law and don't attack police and you won't have a problem. There are other ways of dealing with laws you may not like. Attacking police officers, looting, and burning down your own city is not the way to go about it.


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« Reply #36 on: November 25, 2014, 09:39:11 AM »
Watch  vice news on YouTube.  Been on for six months now and have over a million  subs.  They have five hours of raw footage of walking around  I watched the live stream last night.  

It got bad enough they went back to the car and put on vests. The last time he wore his vest was in Gaza during the small war over there.  
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« Reply #37 on: November 25, 2014, 10:44:54 AM »
Have you guys seen the dude whos store was initially robbed. It got looted again. What a bunch of savages.

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« Reply #38 on: November 25, 2014, 12:23:41 PM »
Once looting/arson/violence begins, they should be referred to as domestic terrorism and be punished as terrorists
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« Reply #39 on: November 25, 2014, 12:35:46 PM »
The worst part about all of this as a St. Louis native, is watching people who don't even live here think they understand better than someone who is LIVING this situation, and start casting judgment on the city and its people. Especially those of us who aren't satisfied with the story the media has been force-feeding to stir up the lynch mob, and look at the ACTUAL evidence, only to get branded as racist bigoted Klansmen wannabes by default for not kowtowing to Reverend Al and his hype machine.
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« Reply #40 on: November 25, 2014, 01:14:15 PM »
Estimates are that there are "Nearly 120 protests over Ferguson decision planned"  today.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/25/us/national-ferguson-protests/index.html?hpt=hp_t2


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« Reply #41 on: November 25, 2014, 02:26:04 PM »
Has anyone else downloaded the officer's statement to the grand jury, and read the entire thing?  I found it very interesting.   He seemed very honest, and when asked about questioning, he answered he hasn't denied a single person of authority who has requested he answer questions, when he easily could have clammed up.  Anyhow, I suggest anyone interested take 20 minutes and read the transcripts.  What Saxman is saying plays well into this IMO - read the statements, and the questions from all the different members of the Grand Jury.  

I've done a lot of training and fighting from vehicles, it was my PSD job for several years, as well as several years as an instructor - fighting with anything, even a handgun, while inside your vehicle when you're under attack is a very specific skill set, and not a simple one either.  When the threats are civilians using unarmed combat techniques against you, it becomes a very complex situation in terms of using the threat or use of force continuum. That's what this officer ended up having to do, and once you read all his comments about it, and answers to questions, I think it's self evident that he was lucky to survive the initial attack, as he nearly had his weapon stripped as well as nearly having it discharged into the plexus of arteries in the pelvic area.  Brown had his fingers in the trigger guard, and was trying to shoot the officer, however while struggling with the pistol it was moved enough out of battery to disengaged the trigger.  Later in the fight when the pistol was pushed towards the floor, it did discharge, and hit the bracket which holds the seat belt latch to the floor.  This empty casing wasn't ejected, because again, while struggling with the pistol, the slide was held in place and couldn't eject or load a new cartridge into the chamber.  The rest of the encounter is covered very accurately IMO in the transcripts, and is backed up by various witnesses of all races in the area.

The officer had also just come from a child in distress call - life is strange, to go from helping a sick child to having to engage a crazed violent one seconds later...Much about this is covered in the transcripts as well.  One interesting thing is that the officer immediately used proper procedure for storing evidence, and placed his weapon into the proper bag in the proper way.  Brown's dna, sweat, and prints are all over that weapon.  

Anyhow, IMO everyone should read the transcripts, to at least have a balanced and accurate idea of what the officer's side of the story is, and not the media's and those with axes to grind or playing politics with the issue.

http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2014/11/ferguson_darren_wilson_intervi.html

This is the GJ transcript, it starts on page 195 so skip ahead to there -  https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1370518-grand-jury-volume-5.html
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« Reply #42 on: November 25, 2014, 03:21:41 PM »
Personally I don't see why he wasn't indicted.  If its because of Missouri law, then that law should be changed to say that any time an officer fires their weapon and injures someone, there IS a trial, the indictment is automatic.

Here's the thing though.  I read these two articles and they seem to be in conflict with each other, while each being rational:

http://www.policeone.com/ferguson/articles/7782643-Why-Officer-Darren-Wilson-wasnt-indicted

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/ferguson-michael-brown-indictment-darren-wilson

How can they both be true?
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Re: Ferguson
« Reply #43 on: November 25, 2014, 03:37:05 PM »
Personally I don't see why he wasn't indicted.  If its because of Missouri law, then that law should be changed to say that any time an officer fires their weapon and injures someone, there IS a trial, the indictment is automatic.




Why? That's just making the thin blue line even thinner. Officers in most modern departments (Cant say all as there are still some departments in far corners with century old policies) when involved in a shooting or loss of life, whether civilian or their own, are disarmed and taken off active duty and subsequently taken to deal with Internal Affairs to determine whether it was a just case. They also are put on leave to be deemed fit for duty by a psychiatrist at a later date. Gone are the days of "rub some dirt on it and come back in to work the next day" policies.

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« Reply #44 on: November 25, 2014, 03:39:47 PM »
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