The SSD endurance test reached the 2 Petabte limit

[morfiend]

I built,or had built my latest computer in 2011,IIRC it was Feb of that year.

   I went and put an SSD of 120 gigs into it with a 1TB storage drive. I run the OS and AH on the SSD and thats pretty much all I do on this computer,I average about 15 hours per week in AH.

   This is my real world test and so far I havent had a single issue with the SSD. It has about 40 to 50 gigs of data on it so far.  Now I'm sure you tech guys could estimate the usage as I have no idea but it's coming close to 4 years now and I still have a year of warranty left on it if it should fail.

   When I first got this system I had concerns do to the fact that many SSD were failing and Skuzzy suggested that AH would run just as well on a HD, so I made a backup of the game and my settings,etc. incase the SSD failed and decided to run AH on the SSD to see how long it would last before failure.


    I would still recommend someone install a regular HD for storage,even though the prices of SSD's are coming down. That said I will likely only use an external HD on my next build!



     

[Chalenge]

If this was a real world problem, the designers would have taken action already. It is not obviously. SSDs have 3-5 years warranties, you think the OEMs would intentionally make devices that are prone to catastrophic failure? Come on folks, you're not making any sense whatsoever. If anything SSDs have superior endurance because they lack any moving parts.

Yeah, and PSUs never fail. 

[guncrasher]

well, my ssd survived another  real world test.  my maid didnt notice it and  ran the vacuum cleaner over it.  had to replace  both cables. the case is pretty scratched as hell.  but it is still working.

semp

[MrRiplEy[H]]

Yeah, and PSUs never fail. 

What did that have to do with this discussion?

[Skuzzy]

If this was a real world problem, the designers would have taken action already. It is not obviously. SSDs have 3-5 years warranties, you think the OEMs would intentionally make devices that are prone to catastrophic failure? Come on folks, you're not making any sense whatsoever. If anything SSDs have superior endurance because they lack any moving parts.

I simply stated a couple of facts.  Easily verifiable facts, at that.  Many, if not most, SSD's do not have any power modulation/filter circuits.  The enterprise class of SSD's do have power filtering.  All HD's have power filtering.

The reasons are quite logical.

[MrRiplEy[H]]

I simply stated a couple of facts.  Easily verifiable facts, at that.  Many, if not most, SSD's do not have any power modulation/filter circuits.  The enterprise class of SSD's do have power filtering.  All HD's have power filtering.

The reasons are quite logical.

Yep but this can not be a real world problem, OEMs would be crazy to build devices so prone to damage and the real world experiences of millions of users prove it. Grasping straws it is.

[Kenne]

OEMs would be crazy to build devices so prone to damage

oh no...pinto anyone!

[MrRiplEy[H]]

oh no...pinto anyone!

They sure didn't build another pinto after the law suits and reputation loss. You guys are fighting windmills here. But that's fine. You can continue using the 1960s storage technology as the rest of the world enjoys the superior I/O provided by the SSDs

[morfiend]

They sure didn't build another pinto after the law suits and reputation loss. You guys are fighting windmills here. But that's fine. You can continue using the 1960s storage technology as the rest of the world enjoys the superior I/O provided by the SSDs

  Actually Ford did built more pintos!  The fix was a simple solution that wasnt implemented in the original design. All ford did was cut the filler tube and add a section of rubber hose,this allowed the tank to separate from the filler tube. The filler tube was shearing off in rear-end collisions and this was found to be the cause of the fires.

   I know because I builts some of them,they were simply phazed out of production.


  Now that I've hijacked that,Skuzzy which SSD's carry the filtering circuits,I'd like to know for a future build.


   

[Masherbrum]

oh no...pinto anyone!

It's funny how the Pinto is the only one that gets mentioned.    Yet Ford sold more Crown Vic's and Mustangs with prone fuel tanks....

[guncrasher]

It's funny how the Pinto is the only one that gets mentioned.    Yet Ford sold more Crown Vic's and Mustangs with prone fuel tanks....

dont forget the trucks that could have been fixed with 20 bucks worth of steel on the roofs.


semp

[Masherbrum]

dont forget the trucks that could have been fixed with 20 bucks worth of steel on the roofs.


semp

I'll try to forget the flaws of GM and Dodge.   Wait.....if I did that then I would be a hypocrite.    Bottom line is that more Crown Vic's and Mustangs were sold and go unnoticed.   But ignorance is bliss to most these days.

[Chalenge]

The point is that it would never happen to Ripley, or someone like me, but suggesting one of these to someone that has just a few dollars to spare is asking for trouble. Probably, that's exactly why Skuzzy doesn't make recommendations like that, but it is precisely why I suggested that you (Ripley) should ask a few more questions before you give recommendations. Someone that has just lost a ton of data on their drive is a poor candidate for an SSD without a few changes first. It's just plain and simple.

I see recommendations on the Internet all the time that just put my teeth on edge, as in the audio recommendations for 5.1 headsets (just a for instance). Headsets, though, are relatively cheap.

[MrRiplEy[H]]

The point is that it would never happen to Ripley, or someone like me, but suggesting one of these to someone that has just a few dollars to spare is asking for trouble. Probably, that's exactly why Skuzzy doesn't make recommendations like that, but it is precisely why I suggested that you (Ripley) should ask a few more questions before you give recommendations. Someone that has just lost a ton of data on their drive is a poor candidate for an SSD without a few changes first. It's just plain and simple.

I see recommendations on the Internet all the time that just put my teeth on edge, as in the audio recommendations for 5.1 headsets (just a for instance). Headsets, though, are relatively cheap.

SSDs are cheap too. You can get a 512Gb SSD for the price of a gaming headset, heck I just bought an Intel 256Gb SATA + 800Gb PCI-E SSD combo for the price of a high-end headset. If SSDs would have a wide spread reliability problem it would be all over the internet by now, especially considering the whine tsunami the early firmware problems created. Seems pretty silent.

Anyway 'for the guy who just lost a ton of data' the main concern is NOT whether to get a SSD or not. It's BACKUPS BACKUPS BACKUPS. And in case someone missed it: BACKUPS!

I don't really appreciate the way how first people make unwarranted claims about SSD memory cell degradation and when proven wrong by orders of magnitude (even compared to manufacturer ratings) they keep coming up with more theoretical problems that are not an issue in practical life.

HDDs still have their place, they're excellent low cost data strorages. A 4Tb hdd costs peanuts. I would not build a mid or high-end PC without a SSD as a boot drive anymore though. The 4Tb hdd is best served for low priority archived data and the medium for your USB external hdd for example. With USB3 you can take a backup of your drives fairly quickly at any time. Even if an external hdd doesn't qualify for 'backup' it's most likely the closest an average consumer ever comes to one.

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I would never build another system for myself without a SSD.
Load time is just too big difference to ignore.
I still make Ghost backups to a spinning device, cost difference for a 2tb drive  is just too high to ignore