The SSD endurance test reached the 2 Petabte limit

[Gman]

Morfiend, I built my first SSD system around the same time and the same fashion, as most do I'm assuming, using a smaller 128g sized SSD for boot/OS and a few select things I use a lot, and a spinner drive for everything else.

I had put AH on the SSD, and ran it for about 6 months with no trouble, and then moved AH to the spinner drive after reading that all the small writes AH does could be a problem with the SSD drive, and it being the OS/Boot drive, was just a headache I didn't figure was worth the risk.

Reading that you've run it so long without any problems, I'm going to stick AH back on an SSD, but not the boot drive, I picked up a couple Samsung 840s, which are now "older" drives, on the Black friday sales, got 2 for about 60% off their already cheap sale price.  I'll put one in each gaming box, and move my Steam folder to them as well as Aces High.  That way, even if AH does crash it out, I won't really care as much as it'll not be my OS/Boot drive and I can just replace it and reinstall the games that get nuked. 

Skuzzy - have you had any long term AH players who install the game on an SSD have a failure mainly due to the many small read/writes?  Just trying to get a feel for what the odds are, as from what I understand it is playing Russian Roulette with the drive in at least some measure.

[Skuzzy]

They sure didn't build another pinto after the law suits and reputation loss. You guys are fighting windmills here. But that's fine. You can continue using the 1960s storage technology as the rest of the world enjoys the superior I/O provided by the SSDs

So you equate a 1927 Model A ford to a 2015 Aston Martin?  Yes, they all have wheels, and motors, and such things.  Are they the same?  Well,..I know the answer, but I wonder if you do?
Current hard drive technology has little to do with the original drum drives and analog heads used in the original IBM storage units.

Yep but this can not be a real world problem, OEMs would be crazy to build devices so prone to damage and the real world experiences of millions of users prove it. Grasping straws it is.

I am not grasping at straws.  Again, I stated a few facts and made no other comment.  You seem bent on making this about something else.  Why all the exaggerated hyperbole?

Gman,I have not had any reports of failures, but slow downs have been reported.

Personally, I do not care what a person uses for storage.  I would be remiss in not warning of the potential issues Aces High could cause, if run on the SSD.  It really is quite silly to run Aces High from an SSD.  There is really nothing to be gained from it, aside from the very first time the game is loaded.  Anyone claiming it helps speed the game up is suffering from the placebo effect, or they have a very, very poor system in which an SSD is masking real problems.

[MrRiplEy[H]]

So you equate a 1927 Model A ford to a 2015 Aston Martin?  Yes, they all have wheels, and motors, and such things.  Are they the same?  Well,..I know the answer, but I wonder if you do?
Current hard drive technology has little to do with the original drum drives and analog heads used in the original IBM storage units.

I may have exaggerated a bit but a fact is that technology is moving into a direction and traditional hdd:s are fast becoming antiquated. SSD pricing is coming down all the time and the adoption is going mainstream.

I am not grasping at straws.  Again, I stated a few facts and made no other comment.  You seem bent on making this about something else.  Why all the exaggerated hyperbole?

I read your comment as a continuum to the previous negativity against the technology. I would understand it IF the enthusiast sites I frequent at would have had even a single report of a SSD frying out due to a bad power supply - but I just don't see that happening. And trust me, every enthusiast nowadays runs SSDs. Some even in raid arrays. Back in 2013 there were some users having problems with power outs bricking their drives but again this was a firmware problem, not an electronic failure. The drives 'came alive' by reflashing the firmware. And these were users who had an unstable power grid and should have been using a UPS anyway.

[Skuzzy]

I have nothing against the technology.  Never have.  As an engineer, I just take the logical approach to it all.  I have no vested interests in any technology.  If I see the potential for a problem, I will state so and why.

Your claims are not founded in reality as to hard drives fast becoming antiquated.  If that were true the hard drive companies would stop developing the technology and SSD's would be all they were doing.  The fact is, they have hard drive technology, in the labs, which quadruples the storage space of the current technology.

SSD's and hard drives are going to coexist for a long time.  It is going to take a major paradigm shift in SSD technology to become as cost effective as hard drives are.  As long as they can keep packing the densities in hard drives, the longer they will stay around.

For mass live storage, the hard drive is still the most cost effective solution.  That's just a fact.  An irrefutable fact based on years and years of compiled data.

By the way, "enthusiast sites" are just that.  They tend to be full of hyperbole and awash with marketing, nit picking the bits and pieces they want in order to satisfy their agendas.  Just because a lot of people, on a site, say something, does not mean it is a fact.  Opinions, no matter how well supported, are just that, and nothing more.
I do not make claims, nor statements I cannot backup.  More often that not, I will tell you how to verify what I have said.  If I do not, one can always ask and I will be happy to satisfy that question.  My only agenda is the people playing Aces High get the best experience they can.

[morfiend]

I had considered moving AH to my HHD but I was just too lazy...

  Then I thought I would just make a backup and run the game on the SSD to see how long it would last and if there was any problems.  I dont see any benefit except to quick start time.


   That said Skuzzy you didnt answer my question,maybe you missed it in all the pinto drivel but which SSD's use filtering circuits?  I'm considering an upgrade and might include a new SSD with more capacity.


   

[Skuzzy]

I had considered moving AH to my HHD but I was just too lazy...

  Then I thought I would just make a backup and run the game on the SSD to see how long it would last and if there was any problems.  I dont see any benefit except to quick start time.


   That said Skuzzy you didnt answer my question,maybe you missed it in all the pinto drivel but which SSD's use filtering circuits?  I'm considering an upgrade and might include a new SSD with more capacity.


    

I did miss it.  Sorry.  I carefully chose my wording there, as I do not have access to every SSD on the market.  I can say, with a lot of confidence the enterprise SSD's do all appear to have some filtering on the power.

I have not found any consumer grade SSD's with that feature.  However, I do not have direct access to all of them either, thus there may be some with it.  I am just not aware of them.

[morfiend]

TY!





   

[MrRiplEy[H]]

TY!





   

The drives have a 5 year warranty and you're worried about filtering? LOL! Backups are necessary in any case so my advice is stop worrying and get yourself a new drive. The Samsung 850s (Evo or Pro) have both rocked in tests.

[morfiend]

The drives have a 5 year warranty and you're worried about filtering? LOL! Backups are necessary in any case so my advice is stop worrying and get yourself a new drive. The Samsung 850s (Evo or Pro) have both rocked in tests.

  I dont get it?  I have an SSD now and have run the gane for several years.

  I was simply inquiring about the filtering curcuitry and if there were and specific drives that might have it.


    You seem to be very defensive about this,or is it just a case of selective reading?   It really doesnt mater either way,if and when I plan my next build it will be obsolete before I order any parts!



   

[MrRiplEy[H]]

 I dont get it?  I have an SSD now and have run the gane for several years.

  I was simply inquiring about the filtering curcuitry and if there were and specific drives that might have it.


    You seem to be very defensive about this,or is it just a case of selective reading?   It really doesnt mater either way,if and when I plan my next build it will be obsolete before I order any parts!



    

I was under the impression that you were delaying a purchase decision based on which devices have the filtering, my bad. You're right, I am defensive because so many writers are writing with a very negative prejudice (for example guncrasher who says he got the SSD just to see if he can break it). That's like buying a brand new Smith&Wesson and then leaving it outside in the rain and mud just to see if it jams.

[Gman]

Thanks for the reply/info Skuzzy.

I'm still not going to run AH on my primary/boot/OS SSD, it's not worth the risk of having to take care of all that is entailed in a primary/boot drive failure.  As I said, I WILL however risk it on a slave SSD drive, as if AH happens to contribute to any problems (slight chance is what I'm understanding here, very slight, but still there), it'll only have AH and a few other easily reinstalled games on it.

Again, thanks for the reply.

[morfiend]

Thanks for the reply/info Skuzzy.

I'm still not going to run AH on my primary/boot/OS SSD, it's not worth the risk of having to take care of all that is entailed in a primary/boot drive failure.  As I said, I WILL however risk it on a slave SSD drive, as if AH happens to contribute to any problems (slight chance is what I'm understanding here, very slight, but still there), it'll only have AH and a few other easily reinstalled games on it.

Again, thanks for the reply.

  G,   in 2 or 3 years let me know how you are making out with the slave drive!  I suppose if I had 2 SSD's in the same box I would do the same thing!

    I keep my game machine pretty trim,I have another desktop and monitor right beside it to use so all I really do is game on my main machine. I dont even have email setup on it....

  Hopefully Santa will bring me a new vidcard and then I shouldnt need to upgrade for another few years.