Crickets

[Devil 505]

So, how about that strike on 131? You Allies forget to attack it or just taking a vacation this week?

[Ratsy]

Snork...like an old dog with the trots, Devil.

No credible force before T+60...It's a outrage!

 

[Ruah]

If it was someones idea to waste 30 peoples Friday night, and you feel that this encourages participation in FSO, then think again.  

There was no credible attack on 131 before the 70 min mark or at all unless you count 2 typhies flashing bases as credible.

Whatever, if people really want to play alone or with the very few left in this game, then fine, just don't expect me to show up to this kind of thing.

[Nefarious]

The forces were allocated per the orders.

As you could see from the beginning of the frame, the Allies were down by 30 pilots or so. Need to look at squad participation here.

[Devil 505]

The forces were allocated per the orders.

As you could see from the beginning of the frame, the Allies were down by 30 pilots or so. Need to look at squad participation here.

Were all 30 slated to attack 131? I'd like to see what squads were assigned that objective and see their attendance vs. commitment. With only 2 objectives to attack, this should never happen.

[Ratsy]

Sorry Nef...There is probably an explanation.  And you're correct...it's December and it will likely happen again before this FSO is over.  But you've never had to fly around behind AKQwik for 2 hours...

They can't all be corkers...I'm sure somebody found a fight tonight.

 

[Nefarious]

Sorry Nef...There is probably an explanation.  And you're correct...it's December and it will likely happen again before this FSO is over.  But you've never had to fly around behind AKQwik for 2 hours...

They can't all be corkers...I'm sure somebody found a fight tonight.

 

The explanation is in the logs. The Allies were 10 under their minimum numbers of 116 while the Axis were 21 over their minimum numbers of 118. The escort groups of the Strike Groups were asked to fill in for any Typhoons the Strike groups did not launch per the orders, not even that was enough. The Allies plan was predominately defensive based, but we maintained the FSO requirements per the objectives.

You gotta show up, If you don't? Adjust your numbers so the CMs and CICs can know what were working with.

[pops57]

We were supposed to protect our base as #1 mission, we did that! Those of my group still able rearmed with bombs ( yes we knew we were under staffed and out gunned from the get go so we upped heavy at the start and dumped ord at the beginning)! We attacked 131 with heavy 38's and got plastered so don't tell me we did not try! We normally fly Axis but went allied because we thought it looked like it would be skewed numbers. Believe me we were pedaling as fast as we could!

[captain1ma]

I think everyone did the best they could, given what was assigned. through no fault of anyone's things didn't work out the way they were supposed to.

I think we should just try to fix it and go on... stuff happens, and sometimes things just don't work out the way you want them to.

personally if I had known, no one was hitting 131, I would have volunteered JG54 to hit it. unfortunately all the plans were laid, and
people were expected to follow their assignments. lets just realize we had a problem, try to fix it, and move on!

for the record: to all CM's and CIC's JG54 is always willing to take up the slack where ever its needed, even if its last minute!

Was fun last night even with the faux pa, lets do it again next week!!

[Ratsy]

These things happen, Pops.  Just think of how awesome FSO would be if the planning was done at the Salt Lick.   

  

[Devil 505]

We were supposed to protect our base as #1 mission, we did that! Those of my group still able rearmed with bombs ( yes we knew we were under staffed and out gunned from the get go so we upped heavy at the start and dumped ord at the beginning)! We attacked 131 with heavy 38's and got plastered so don't tell me we did not try! We normally fly Axis but went allied because we thought it looked like it would be skewed numbers. Believe me we were pedaling as fast as we could!

Pops, I'm referring to the planned attack of 131 before T+60.

Thanks for leading the remnants of your squad to 131 later. Your P-38 was the only con I saw all night, and that was well after T+60. 

[ImADot]

I've been on defense at least twice, where we NEVER saw an enemy. Whether it was due to our outbound force stumbling across an incoming force and disregarding orders and other's fun and wiped them out, or the incoming force just plain attacked the wrong target. It happens and we move on.

[APDrone]

As far as the attack on 131 goes.. there were 2 squads assigned that had registration commitments of 11-15 and 7-10.  

So there should have been 18 - 25 aircraft in the attack group.  Certainly a 'viable force' for FSO purposes.

The 11-15 squad only fielded 6 pilots and they managed to take out 2 FHs at 131 before being decimated at T+40.  1 survivor after initial strike.. none by end of frame.

The 7-10 squad only fielded 5 pilots and their task was escort.  I don't know what they did or where they were, but one survivor managed to make a secondary strike and take out an ammo at 131.

So, from the logs, an effort was made to plan for a viable attack.. it just didn't work out that way.  

As to how it may have been prevented, the options are pretty limited... especially when one of the aircraft involved is a restricted use ( Typhoon ) bird that causes headaches for making sure you don't exceed the allotment.
Couple that with how many squads don't know their actual strength until after launch time, as we all have folks popping in at the absolute last second to make the frame.   That makes last-minute task-reassignment almost impossible.

It's annoying when you plan and wait and fly around and never get to shoot at anything.. by golly, I've been there many times myself..  Chances are, tho.. the guys you should have been able to shoot at probably got their butts kicked and prematurely found themselves in the tower, for whatever reason..  Which, IMHO, is far more painful and depressing than flying around for, ultimately, no reason.  

Stuff happens.  It just makes you enjoy the times when things work out correctly even more.

 

[pops57]

Now that would be cool!

These things happen, Pops.  Just think of how awesome FSO would be if the planning was done at the Salt Lick.   

  

[pops57]

Looks like they tried to get it done but just did not have the numbers/luck. Stuff happens! I'll try to live longer in the future so more guys can shoot at me! lol

Pops, I'm referring to the planned attack of 131 before T+60.

Thanks for leading the remnants of your squad to 131 later. Your P-38 was the only con I saw all night, and that was well after T+60.