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Re: Focke Wulf 190 D-12
« Reply #15 on: December 08, 2014, 11:57:25 AM »
How much is the drop at 50m or 100m?

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There is none, depending on convergence.


Anything under 250 yd convergence the drop is greater at closer ranges.
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Re: Focke Wulf 190 D-12
« Reply #16 on: December 08, 2014, 12:00:21 PM »
How much is the drop at 50m or 100m?

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The Minengeschoss for the Mk 108 drops about 0.21m at 100m distance
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Re: Focke Wulf 190 D-12
« Reply #17 on: December 08, 2014, 01:08:18 PM »
The Minengeschoss for the Mk 108 drops about 0.21m at 100m distance

Virtually nothing? :headscratch: :old:
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Re: Focke Wulf 190 D-12
« Reply #18 on: December 08, 2014, 01:33:09 PM »
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Re: Focke Wulf 190 D-12
« Reply #19 on: December 08, 2014, 03:03:45 PM »
There is none, depending on convergence.


Anything under 250 yd convergence the drop is greater at closer ranges.
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Re: Focke Wulf 190 D-12
« Reply #20 on: December 08, 2014, 03:48:00 PM »
Virtually nothing? :headscratch: :old:


  While you may consider that virtually nothing the dispersion cone is around 40 ft at 300 meter,that is considerable!



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Re: Focke Wulf 190 D-12
« Reply #21 on: December 08, 2014, 06:16:45 PM »
What r yours set at

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Re: Focke Wulf 190 D-12
« Reply #22 on: December 08, 2014, 08:21:41 PM »
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  While you may consider that virtually nothing the dispersion cone is around 40 ft at 300 meter,that is considerable!



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Re: Focke Wulf 190 D-12
« Reply #23 on: December 08, 2014, 10:45:58 PM »

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I see now that it increases more than double at the next 100 meters (200m) but under 100 it's still nothing that one should worry about IMO.

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Re: Focke Wulf 190 D-12
« Reply #24 on: December 08, 2014, 10:53:51 PM »

  While you may consider that virtually nothing the dispersion cone is around 40 ft at 300 meter,that is considerable!



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Yes though I'm used to using this gun and don't have too much of a problem with it. :)

Not bragging or anything but it's more of a problem with people new to using this weapon, or those who have used it for a while but do not "understand" it.
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Re: Focke Wulf 190 D-12
« Reply #25 on: December 09, 2014, 01:30:47 AM »
I presume this figure is got with rapid fire. With single shots the gun would be more accurate. The firing rate of MK108 is pretty awesome for its caliber and since the weapon itself does not weight much the dispersion will rapidly build up shot by shot with 650 rpm.

In games the gun is modeled so that it is inherently inaccurate even with single shots so that even the first shot goes somewhere withing the dispersion cone and not near the center.

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Re: Focke Wulf 190 D-12
« Reply #26 on: December 09, 2014, 06:09:00 AM »

  While you may consider that virtually nothing the dispersion cone is around 40 ft at 300 meter,that is considerable!

Yes, the problem with the mk108 is not the bullet drop, but the muzzle velocity and scatter. Scatter as mentioned in the quote easily becomes larger than the target at moderate ranges. At that point, accurate aiming is not enough since there is an additional dice roll determining where the bullet will actually go. Low velocity means you need to lead more - this means that when firing under G load, the target is usually well below the nose and obscured. If fired when unloaded (as it should be) the pilot has to aim well ahead of the target which is again not easy. The drop of the bullet is a much less significant factor than these two.
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Re: Focke Wulf 190 D-12
« Reply #27 on: December 09, 2014, 02:44:58 PM »
I'm talking about dogfights against fighters, Anarchy.
After 300m, landing a 30 mm shell is far more difficult with such Balistic.

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Re: Focke Wulf 190 D-12
« Reply #28 on: December 09, 2014, 02:48:21 PM »
Takes time, and practice. I know several pilots who can nail peopel past 500. Time, dedication to the taters, a good teacher, and patience.

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Re: Focke Wulf 190 D-12
« Reply #29 on: December 09, 2014, 10:30:19 PM »
Considering the spray cone at 500m, the low velocity, and the gravity... dont forget ur rabbit's foot !  :D

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