Track IR-5: the six o'clock view!

[FLS]

   Sorry, but this is just crazy talk and defeats the whole purpose of TRACK IR. Learn to set up a good profile, tweak it, and you can disregard your hat switches for good.

Let's just call it an alternate preference. Also using the hat switches changes the TIR from view control to head position movement so some people like to have both set up.

[bustr]

   Sorry, but this is just crazy talk and defeats the whole purpose of TRACK IR. Learn to set up a good profile, tweak it, and you can disregard your hat switches for good.

No it doesn't. Just uses TR as it originaly was shipped for games years ago as a mouse pan device. Naturalpoint was not developed for games in the beginning. It was a way to allow the disabled to use their head as their mouse. I've tried both ways and I don't like remembering to contort my body when I want to see my maximum possible 6 view by turning my head in that direction. I've been using TR since the beginning and went through AW using the hat switch.

Our key press view system allows us to contort the view origin in ways no human could physically strapped into their seat. Especially for the instant button press 6 view. Until HiTech relents and gives us a mirror, 2-axis inheriting the hps file gives a superior 6 view with less hassle faster.

[Naughty]

           A quick demo of my profile.  Sorry for the Jumpiness.. free version of Bandicam.



      http://youtu.be/MYboixuZ-qs

[Naughty]

No it doesn't. Just uses TR as it originaly was shipped for games years ago as a mouse pan device. Naturalpoint was not developed for games in the beginning. It was a way to allow the disabled to use their head as their mouse. I've tried both ways and I don't like remembering to contort my body when I want to see my maximum possible 6 view by turning my head in that direction. I've been using TR since the beginning and went through AW using the hat switch.

Our key press view system allows us to contort the view origin in ways no human could physically strapped into their seat. Especially for the instant button press 6 view. Until HiTech relents and gives us a mirror, 2-axis inheriting the hps file gives a superior 6 view with less hassle faster.

    IN THE BEGINING it may have been a virtual mouse control.. as you said "years ago" but advances in its capabilities have made it perfect for gaming. IF you set up a good profile, there is no reason to "contort" your body in anyway to look around, even a full 360 degree pan. My head never moves more than if I was just looking from one side of my screen to the other, and im able to follow a con without ever losing sight of him for a second. it's all in how you setup your profile.
 

[Chalenge]

Have to agree. Whereas I AH I still use the cooliehat, it is much more 'natural' to turn your head. I will always prefer to use the hat for trim (as it was intended), but in AH the hat does seem better suited for views. Because AH does not have a clickable cockpit 75% of the benefit of TIR is missing anyway. Yet, I don't have to do body contortions with TIR in any game.

[Bruv119]

when you guys are flying with track IR how do you shoot?  or rather where do you look?

I normally page up in a turn and toggle zoom on slightly longer shots.

[FLS]

If you lower your head and recenter TIR then you'll be looking above the sight when you sit normally.

[Naughty]

       Im usually looking at the thing in front of me that's about to burst into flames 

         Seriously though.. ive seen videos of guys adjusting their head position above or below the sight..  I don't understand that way of aiming at all. does it have something to do with loaded firing ? I try to predict where he's gonna be and shoot there. keeping normal view.  I have the slider on my x52 throttle mapped to zoom in on the sight, and the pinky switch set to external zoom. so for long straight shots (on a runstang) 2 quick clicks has my sight filled with his plane.   im curious though, why would you want to be looking over your sight ?

[Naughty]

when you guys are flying with track IR how do you shoot?  or rather where do you look?

I normally page up in a turn and toggle zoom on slightly longer shots.

      Moving your head up or down has the same effect as page up & down

[bustr]

Naughty you did that film only with one plane, an F4u. How does it work out with the C202\205, F6f, Hurri, P47D11, F4f, FM2, and IL2? The best you can get with the Hurri and F6f requires placing the back of your head against the top of the windscreen and only just gives you a look around the top of the head rest. I've modified my profile and the contortion is not worth the time waste performing ACM. All of those planes except the IL2 had mirrors due to the sucky rear view. The IL2, you can furball in it if you set views for the hps and use 2-axis. Other wise you will not be able to contort enough to see out the back up as you turn into your chaser or hold a side view on zoom hunting down your wing tip looking for tanks.

You can throw away the past for whatever juices your jizz today, until you rediscover it in the future, and try to tell everyone how wonderful your discovery of the past is. I doubt poop 20 years ago smells any different than your special poop smells today. The difference is, it's your very own special poop. Special iss "my precious"......

[pelota]

Bustr: thanks again for all your help, sir.  Your recommendation seems to have done the trick!     I now have a clearer view of the six o'clock view and actually, for the first time, fly competitively!  I want to deeply thank all who have contributed to this thread.

[Serenity]

    IN THE BEGINING it may have been a virtual mouse control.. as you said "years ago" but advances in its capabilities have made it perfect for gaming. IF you set up a good profile, there is no reason to "contort" your body in anyway to look around, even a full 360 degree pan. My head never moves more than if I was just looking from one side of my screen to the other, and im able to follow a con without ever losing sight of him for a second. it's all in how you setup your profile.
 

Naughty, would you be willing to send your profile? I've been trying ceaselessly to get mine set up, and can either get great 6 views with bustrs system but cannot see around the bars in my Bf-109, or I can clear the bars just fine but cannot see behind me.

[The Fugitive]

Please post it here naughty. I collect profiles trying to fine tune one for myself.

[Naughty]

           There's really nothing special about my profile other than some minor adjustments and use of the "LIMIT" option. but I've tweaked it to fit how I fly, what I fly most,  where I look the most, my screen size,  where I sit relative to the screen ect.. when seting up your profile, it's best to start with the default, and then adjust 1 axis at a time. what you want to shoot for is a happy medium between excessive head movement, and a nice null zone. my screen is 26" wide, so I like that when my nose is pointing at the edge of the screen, I have a dead six view. Nose pointing at top of screen gives me straight up view.  ect..ect..

       I don't have a file hosting account anywhere right now, and don't feel like setting one up at the moment, so here's the text.  Just create a new profile, then open it up in wordpad and copy/paste the following in it.


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[Vinkman]

Pelota,
On your trackIR main screen, in the Motion Adjustment Box, make sure "True View" is checked.  True view makes your virtual head movements relative to the way your virtual head is facing. Other wise when you turn your head around the movement will all be reversed from what seems intuitive and when you're trying to move your head away from the seat back, you will actually get closer.

So check that box and see if that's what's causing you to not be able to pull away from the seat. Good luck.