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Offline Chalenge

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Time to Neuter the 109s
« on: December 22, 2014, 11:09:23 PM »
It is obvious after a short time in researching the 109 lineage that the flaps were not as easy to use, nor especially as fast as they are in AH. Couple that with a rudder that enables the aircraft to do aerobatic moves it could never do in real life, then it becomes obvious that the concessions that enable the 109 to do the fantastic moves that it does in AH have gone too far.

Therefore, it is time to neuter the 109s. Then we can discuss the F4Us.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcMjhihuuX8
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Re: Time to Neuter the 109s
« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2014, 12:45:47 AM »
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Re: Time to Neuter the 109s
« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2014, 01:42:38 AM »
many tvinga ned to be looked over, damage modell comes to my mind, b17 thats can outdive a me163.

Htc chose to simplify flaps for some planes, easy engine management for some planes make them better fighting machines than IRL.
 109s could use some flaps up to 700km/h compared with 200mph in AH although barder to use.
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Re: Time to Neuter the 109s
« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2014, 04:19:51 AM »
O.m.g  :rofl

It is obvious after a short time in researching the 109 lineage that the flaps were not as easy to use, nor especially as fast as they are in AH. Couple that with a rudder that enables the aircraft to do aerobatic moves it could never do in real life, then it becomes obvious that the concessions that enable the 109 to do the fantastic moves that it does in AH have gone too far.

Therefore, it is time to neuter the 109s. Then we can discuss the F4Us.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcMjhihuuX8

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Re: Time to Neuter the 109s
« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2014, 05:02:11 AM »
It is obvious after a short time in researching the 109 lineage that the flaps were not as easy to use, nor especially as fast as they are in AH. Couple that with a rudder that enables the aircraft to do aerobatic moves it could never do in real life, then it becomes obvious that the concessions that enable the 109 to do the fantastic moves that it does in AH have gone too far.

Therefore, it is time to neuter the 109s. Then we can discuss the F4Us.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcMjhihuuX8

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Re: Time to Neuter the 109s
« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2014, 05:25:54 AM »
I thought you were exaggerating the flap thing till I watched the video you provided. 

Since other control surfaces in AH like the P38 G's and J's ailerons have restrictive simulated, modeling then it would be appropriate to simulate slow flap travel on the 109s.

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Re: Time to Neuter the 109s
« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2014, 06:06:50 AM »
I thought you were exaggerating the flap thing till I watched the video you provided. 

Since other control surfaces in AH like the P38 G's and J's ailerons have restrictive simulated, modeling then it would be appropriate to simulate slow flap travel on the 109s.

And there should be a pause when turning the wheel.

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Re: Time to Neuter the 109s
« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2014, 07:28:46 AM »
GLWT!

Simple fact is it's wrong. I would argue that the high speed lock up into a right hand roll is wrong also. A little give, a little take and things would be a lot more accurate.

@Randy1: Check out the time on retracting the flaps. That's 22 down and 30-1/2 up by my count. No idea why it's different, but about 25 seconds in either direction.
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Re: Time to Neuter the 109s
« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2014, 07:38:21 AM »
Simple fact is it's wrong. I would argue that the high speed lock up into a right hand roll is wrong also. A little give, a little take and things would be a lot more accurate.

@Randy1: Check out the time on retracting the flaps. That's 22 down and 30-1/2 up by my count. No idea why it's different, but about 25 seconds in either direction.

Don't get defensive.  I agree with you in this case, but this only opens many cans of worms.  Is it your intent to correct all the models?  

Now, of you could get hired on by HTC, have at it.

Again, best of luck to you sir and have a Merry Christmas!

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Re: Time to Neuter the 109s
« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2014, 09:53:35 AM »
I could do it a lot faster than the guy in the video.
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Re: Time to Neuter the 109s
« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2014, 10:38:36 AM »

It is obvious after a short time in researching the 109 lineage that the flaps were not as easy to use, nor especially as fast as they are in AH.


Is that the typical design in all the 109 linage or just that model in the video?

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Re: Time to Neuter the 109s
« Reply #11 on: December 23, 2014, 10:50:44 AM »
Couple that with a rudder that enables the aircraft to do aerobatic moves it could never do in real life, then it becomes obvious that the concessions that enable the 109 to do the fantastic moves that it does in AH have gone too far.

Therefore, it is time to neuter the 109s. Then we can discuss the F4Us.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcMjhihuuX8

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Re: Time to Neuter the 109s
« Reply #12 on: December 23, 2014, 11:41:39 AM »
Is that the typical design in all the 109 linage or just that model in the video?

Yes. There was 2 wheels to the left of the pilot. One for stab trim and the other for flaps.

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Re: Time to Neuter the 109s
« Reply #13 on: December 23, 2014, 12:14:46 PM »
I thought you were exaggerating the flap thing till I watched the video you provided. 

Since other control surfaces in AH like the P38 G's and J's ailerons have restrictive simulated, modeling then it would be appropriate to simulate slow flap travel on the 109s.

What restrictions are simulated on the P-38G/J's ailerons?
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Re: Time to Neuter the 109s
« Reply #14 on: December 23, 2014, 12:25:35 PM »
I could do it a lot faster than the guy in the video.
While maneuvering at 3 to 4 g, managing throttle and controls? The guy in the video is just sitting there....
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