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Offline Hetzer7

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Re: remove 88s from game
« Reply #15 on: December 29, 2014, 12:39:34 PM »
They'll take my 88 when they pry it from my cold dead hands :)

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Re: remove 88s from game
« Reply #16 on: December 29, 2014, 12:48:05 PM »
The solution is already included in Aces High 2.  If I am going to be near them, then I destroy them.  With that said, I do agree with you Caldera.  Manned guns should be a last choice for combat between players, not the first.  Unfortunately this cannot be coded.
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Re: remove 88s from game
« Reply #17 on: December 29, 2014, 01:24:14 PM »
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Not a fan of the 88mm field guns.
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Re: remove 88s from game
« Reply #18 on: December 29, 2014, 01:48:42 PM »
In a game that is intended to promote combat between players, I provides a place for people to hide and kill others as a no risk weapon....If you want to push back a horde of fighters then take off from the next base back and come in on top of them.


...well...if this is a game intended to promote combat, then there's no need for a horde of fighters to be that close to your base, is there?

I have trouble feeling bad for vulchers who get picked off by anyone, whether on the ground or in the air.  If 88s help keep the vulchers away, I'm all for them.

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Re: remove 88s from game
« Reply #19 on: December 29, 2014, 01:49:35 PM »
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Manned guns should be a last choice for combat between players, not the first.

Exactly!

Let manned gun folks play Manned Guns Low if it is that important to them.  :bolt:
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Re: remove 88s from game
« Reply #20 on: December 29, 2014, 02:27:26 PM »
Famous Generic Conversation for any Squad in the history of Aces High.

Dipstuck: Hey CO, aren't we just as bad picking and vulching these guys as we say they are?

CO: NO!! It's OK because we are doing it to them!!!!!!!

Dipstuck: Does that mean their ack is bad, and what about our ack?

CO: NO!! It's OK because it's our ack!!!!!!

Dipstuck: Does that mean you were serious when you wishlisted HiTech remove ack from fields?

CO: YES!! But, only their fields!!!!!!!!!!

Dipstuck: Do we get a choice when the map changes to stay on our fields??

CO: Don't be silly, HiTech will know which ones are our fields.

CO: Now dive in there and de-ack so I can vulch.
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Re: remove 88s from game
« Reply #21 on: December 29, 2014, 02:40:50 PM »
Famous Generic Conversation for any Squad in the history of Aces High.

Dipstuck: Hey CO, aren't we just as bad picking and vulching these guys as we say they are?

CO: NO!! It's OK because we are doing it to them!!!!!!!

Dipstuck: Does that mean their ack is bad, and what about our ack?

CO: NO!! It's OK because it's our ack!!!!!!

Dipstuck: Does that mean you were serious when you wishlisted HiTech remove ack from fields?

CO: YES!! But, only their fields!!!!!!!!!!

Dipstuck: Do we get a choice when the map changes to stay on our fields??

CO: Don't be silly, HiTech will know which ones are our fields.

CO: Now dive in there and de-ack so I can vulch.

Not sure what kind of dysfunctional squad you have to fly for to hear this, but I have never heard anything remotely close to that from either of the squads that I've been in.
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Re: remove 88s from game
« Reply #22 on: December 29, 2014, 02:46:12 PM »
To the OP: So if the 88's don't encourage "fighting" and need to be removed, then shouldn't all GVs be removed as well?  After all, I can't take off in my T34 and engage your plane, right?  And what about all those trees.. I can't take off in a tree and engage you either, so lets get rid of them too.  And all of the buildings.. can't fly those either.  And the mountains.. they just get in the way of aircraft battles.  And the textures of the planes, because they're just a distraction from the true purpose which is air combat.  So let's make AH just stick figure airplanes flying over a flat featureless, textureless plane.  Kind of like Air Warrior version 1.0 from about 30 years ago.

The idea of complaining about something that is so trivial to kill (a 50 cal need only land in the same county as an 88mm to kill it) and yet is so little a threat (it's nearly impossible to hit anything with the 88mm) is beyond me.

Finally, what makes you think I'd be stupid enough to take off in an airplane and try to engage you from a horrendous energy deficit (slow and low)?

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Re: remove 88s from game
« Reply #23 on: December 29, 2014, 04:09:08 PM »
Not sure what kind of dysfunctional squad you have to fly for to hear this, but I have never heard anything remotely close to that from either of the squads that I've been in.

Oh!! You want it to be less graphic with more nuance, innuendo and Sunday Schoolish.

Squad Member: Gee Golly Willikers, Mr. CO sir I never.

CO: Don't worry we are above all of this except when we are pushed.

Squad Member: CO I'll follow you anywhere......

I seem to remember Nomde pretty much summed up my first dialog when I was with the old 56th. And my current CO despises ack and runway picks from 1000 out with a 37mm just to get the rage PMs. And you don't walk on water anymore than I do unless it's in this game and you are trying to walk to shore. Biologically none of us minds our own stink but, we will spend all day telling everyone we can how much someone else does and that something has to be done about them. It's called NIMBY these days.
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Re: remove 88s from game
« Reply #24 on: December 29, 2014, 05:46:07 PM »
So then you are constructing your argument off of statements of the previous squads incarnation that were made years ago. I'm sorry I didn't see the connection to the re-established squad that we have today, especially considering that I've only seen Nomdy once in the last four or five months due to a medical condition that has prevented him from playing. Next time I see him, I'll be sure to ask him about it.

As for your analysis, I do believe that it's actually called hypocrisy. There is plenty of it that goes around in the game, however I make an effort to avoid it as much as possible. If you see me calling someone out on something, it's because there is no way in hell I would be caught doing the same things they did. Yes, I will pick, vulch and HO just like everyone else, but you will never see me call someone out on it. I call people out on ack running, ack hugging, and shooting a landing plane, which I will only do (excluding the last one) on the rare occasions that I'm out of fuel/bullets.

I also fail to see how either of your previous statements are even remotely related to the original wish an any way. But if you would like to continue with anecdotal fallacies, then go for it.

To the OP: So if the 88's don't encourage "fighting" and need to be removed, then shouldn't all GVs be removed as well?  After all, I can't take off in my T34 and engage your plane, right?  And what about all those trees.. I can't take off in a tree and engage you either, so lets get rid of them too.  And all of the buildings.. can't fly those either.  And the mountains.. they just get in the way of aircraft battles.  And the textures of the planes, because they're just a distraction from the true purpose which is air combat.  So let's make AH just stick figure airplanes flying over a flat featureless, textureless plane.  Kind of like Air Warrior version 1.0 from about 30 years ago.

We should take out the variety as well, the only thing we'll fly is P-51s!

The idea of complaining about something that is so trivial to kill (a 50 cal need only land in the same county as an 88mm to kill it) and yet is so little a threat (it's nearly impossible to hit anything with the 88mm) is beyond me.

A 50 cal needs to get a direct hit on any gun to kill it. An actual direct hit on the physical gun. I'm not sure where your argument that a 50 cal round explodes on contact is coming from. As a second point, while the 88s are hard to use, they are far from innocuous. I have rounds thrown at me on a regular basis that are close enough to be a threat. I've also been killed by an 88 while maneuvering from at more than 6k out.

Unless there is any real evidence that the 88 guns are actually making a significant contribution to the game, I still say that they should be removed. As it stands now they take more away from the game than they have to offer it.

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Re: remove 88s from game
« Reply #25 on: December 30, 2014, 02:30:19 PM »
When the field is capped and or getting vulched and all the hangars are down, I might jump in a field gun.  Its hard to hit with the 88 but with some practice and a lot of spent ammo, you connect once in a while.  Taking the wing off a guy that just vulched you is fun.  They are easy enough to kill.  Under 1.5 they don't even detonate so they have to get a direct hit on you, which isn't easy.  They make great tank killers when the VH is down and the base is getting rolled.

I jump in a 88 when the enemy dictates it.  88's are for when the enemy has taken away the other options for base defense or getting a plane up to fight.  My favorite is when a guy is deacking and gets mad when ack/flak kills him???? 

If you take the enemy's hangars or cap the field and vulch...it's sorta silly to accuse the guy in the 88 as the one who is having a negative effect on the fight. 

I would be fine with awarding a kill when a manned field gun is destroyed, only fair.
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Re: remove 88s from game
« Reply #26 on: December 30, 2014, 02:33:55 PM »
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88s are good for the gameplay.

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Re: remove 88s from game
« Reply #27 on: December 30, 2014, 02:48:04 PM »
How about some manned 88's at strat factories or city?   :devil 

at least someone can "intercept" aircraft that sneek through the country call-outs.
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Re: remove 88s from game
« Reply #28 on: December 30, 2014, 03:39:15 PM »
How about some manned 88's at strat factories or city?   :devil 


hq too
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Re: remove 88s from game
« Reply #29 on: December 30, 2014, 05:03:49 PM »
hq too


No.  Not only no, but...






What we need is a battery of flak guns to control, to defend the HQ. :)
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