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cool find Flight Sound X Adapter
« on: December 28, 2014, 01:24:47 PM »
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Re: cool find Flight Sound X Adapter
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2014, 04:38:40 PM »
Now I don't know the sound quality of the real aviation headesets but if you are looking at the immersion and somewhat reality, I am using these here http://www.razerzone.com/store/razer-blackshark ...tied in with my sound card .. they sound aswesome. They are all metal construction..the mic can pop out to use with mp3 player or ipod .. The mic is fully ajustable and as I have been told very clear.

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Re: cool find Flight Sound X Adapter
« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2014, 08:25:22 PM »
What makes the device Drediock posted superior (if it really can do what they claim) is the ability to support headphones with an impedance of 100-600 ohms. Most of the headphones gamers use are 29-32 ohms, so you would not need this with typical headsets. So, why use something with a higher impedance? For the same reason you want a 144Hz monitor. Once you hear the effect of a higher damping factor you will not want to go back to typical headphones. Remember though that you cannot use a 32 ohm headset in a 600 ohm amplifier without damaging/destroying the headset.
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Re: cool find Flight Sound X Adapter
« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2014, 06:46:49 AM »
OK Chalenge can you say that in common mans english??? lol
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Re: cool find Flight Sound X Adapter
« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2014, 09:10:38 AM »
Far superior sound quality for a potential drop in overall volume depending on amplifier output
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Re: cool find Flight Sound X Adapter
« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2014, 10:05:58 AM »
The idea is to match the impedance values so you get the best sound.
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Re: cool find Flight Sound X Adapter
« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2015, 01:47:40 PM »
I have a sigtronics headset from the late 90s I might get this for.

Question: besides buying this thing and trying it, how can I tell if my headset is stereo?

My fear is they are mono, because I can't really see why you'd need an av. Headset to be stereo.

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Re: cool find Flight Sound X Adapter
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2015, 02:22:28 PM »
What makes the device Drediock posted superior (if it really can do what they claim) is the ability to support headphones with an impedance of 100-600 ohms. Most of the headphones gamers use are 29-32 ohms, so you would not need this with typical headsets. So, why use something with a higher impedance? For the same reason you want a 144Hz monitor. Once you hear the effect of a higher damping factor you will not want to go back to typical headphones. Remember though that you cannot use a 32 ohm headset in a 600 ohm amplifier without damaging/destroying the headset.

If you think impedance is the only determining factor in sound quality you're going to love the STAX with its 145 000 ohm impedance :P https://www.staxusa.com/stax-sr-009.html

And I'm not going to argue, STAX does sound good. But not because of the impedance.
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Re: cool find Flight Sound X Adapter
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2015, 02:27:27 PM »
I have a sigtronics headset from the late 90s I might get this for.

Question: besides buying this thing and trying it, how can I tell if my headset is stereo?

My fear is they are mono, because I can't really see why you'd need an av. Headset to be stereo.



I have a feeling that generally speaking an aviation headset is not going to be optimal for games. It's more like live action role playing costume kind of experience :)
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Re: cool find Flight Sound X Adapter
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2015, 02:33:56 PM »
If you think impedance is the only determining factor in sound quality you're going to love the STAX with its 145 000 ohm impedance :P https://www.staxusa.com/stax-sr-009.html

And I'm not going to argue, STAX does sound good. But not because of the impedance.

Not exactly what I was saying. Look up "damping factor" and then realize that some equipment should be matched for best performance.  :rolleyes:
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Re: cool find Flight Sound X Adapter
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2015, 02:44:23 PM »
Not exactly what I was saying. Look up "damping factor" and then realize that some equipment should be matched for best performance.  :rolleyes:

The damping factor is just one parameter among many, it does not define overall audio quality in any way. But I agree that a high damping factor is often a preferred quality. However you can have a headset with high damping factor that still sounds like crap.
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Re: cool find Flight Sound X Adapter
« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2015, 05:17:45 AM »
The damping factor is just one parameter among many, it does not define overall audio quality in any way. But I agree that a high damping factor is often a preferred quality. However you can have a headset with high damping factor that still sounds like crap.

Now you're arguing. Nevertheless, any audio professional who has critically evaluated amplifiers will tell you that a high damping factor is desirable, in particular, for quality bass reproductions. The problem with typical consumer level headsets is that their pairing with onboard audio chips and USB audio usually means a D/F lower than 1, whereas a higher D/F (closer to 10) is about the best a human may discern as being optimum. The reason I see your argument as fallacious is you can see the D/F will certainly be higher, or at least closer to the optimum for human ears, you know the headsets for aircraft are far better than PC level components, and yet you still try to raise an argument.

But you are right. Most of the audio systems that gamers use are crap.
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Re: cool find Flight Sound X Adapter
« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2015, 08:53:52 AM »
Now you're arguing. Nevertheless, any audio professional who has critically evaluated amplifiers will tell you that a high damping factor is desirable, in particular, for quality bass reproductions. The problem with typical consumer level headsets is that their pairing with onboard audio chips and USB audio usually means a D/F lower than 1, whereas a higher D/F (closer to 10) is about the best a human may discern as being optimum. The reason I see your argument as fallacious is you can see the D/F will certainly be higher, or at least closer to the optimum for human ears, you know the headsets for aircraft are far better than PC level components, and yet you still try to raise an argument.

But you are right. Most of the audio systems that gamers use are crap.

I don't think that aircraft headsets are actually built for audiophiles in mind or online gaming. They have a totally different target audience so that raises some doubt how interchangeable they are in reality. Having clear communication while in flight requires completely different properties than great music reproduction or spatial localization that's important for gaming. Flight headsets can be monaural without hindering their use at all, for example.

It's also questionable how much the damping factor is even a factor with headphones. The drivers are extremely small and light weight which makes their natural tendency for ringing minimal to begin with. The damping factor is usually a concern mostly in large bass systems where long thin cables and low impedances can cause bad side effects.

That being said I have never been a headphone enthusiast to begin with so I haven't had that many cans on my head. I've owned or own Beyerdynamics, Koss, Bose qc-series (for active sound canceling), Sennheiser and Logitech headphones and I've tested some of the most expensive headphones in the world, including different model STAXes with a super expensive headphone amp. No headphone to date has made the 'wow' effect. The only thing I haven't tested is head tracking headphones, which is certainly interesting as they create a realistic sound stage - something that no regular headphone can do.
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Re: cool find Flight Sound X Adapter
« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2015, 10:35:08 AM »
I have a sigtronics headset from the late 90s I might get this for.

Question: besides buying this thing and trying it, how can I tell if my headset is stereo?

My fear is they are mono, because I can't really see why you'd need an av. Headset to be stereo.


I'm not quite sure what kind of plugs aviation headsets use, but the upper one in the picture below is stereo and the lower one is mono.


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Re: cool find Flight Sound X Adapter
« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2015, 01:02:13 PM »
I'm not quite sure what kind of plugs aviation headsets use, but the upper one in the picture below is stereo and the lower one is mono.

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