Author Topic: New F35 issue - no cannon pew pew until 2019 due to software glitch  (Read 2566 times)

Offline MrRiplEy[H]

  • Persona Non Grata
  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 11633
Re: New F35 issue - no cannon pew pew until 2019 due to software glitch
« Reply #75 on: January 08, 2015, 08:30:43 AM »
Seems like one piece to me. It's enough if the ECM made the drone fly off course and crash. Think what would happen if the drone was armed and was launching rockets or bombs... drop site 2 miles early right on top of friendly troops.
Definiteness of purpose is the starting point of all achievement. –W. Clement Stone

Offline PR3D4TOR

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2884
Re: New F35 issue - no cannon pew pew until 2019 due to software glitch
« Reply #76 on: January 08, 2015, 08:53:05 AM »
See Rule #4
« Last Edit: January 08, 2015, 02:39:53 PM by Skuzzy »
No gods or kings. Only Predator.

Offline MrRiplEy[H]

  • Persona Non Grata
  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 11633
« Last Edit: January 08, 2015, 02:40:08 PM by Skuzzy »
Definiteness of purpose is the starting point of all achievement. –W. Clement Stone

Offline PR3D4TOR

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2884
Re: New F35 issue - no cannon pew pew until 2019 due to software glitch
« Reply #78 on: January 08, 2015, 11:15:44 AM »
See Rule #4
« Last Edit: January 08, 2015, 02:40:18 PM by Skuzzy »
No gods or kings. Only Predator.

Offline MrRiplEy[H]

  • Persona Non Grata
  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 11633
« Last Edit: January 08, 2015, 02:40:32 PM by Skuzzy »
Definiteness of purpose is the starting point of all achievement. –W. Clement Stone

Offline Rich46yo

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 7358
Re: New F35 issue - no cannon pew pew until 2019 due to software glitch
« Reply #80 on: January 08, 2015, 01:14:34 PM »
Quote
Quote
See Rule #4

Already been adequately answered to. I'll add to it tho that the drone will probably be data linked to all other friendly assets in the war zone so it wont be slaved to only what its own sensors can input.

Quote
If you have a drone armed to the teet flying above your troops and someone manages to spoof its gps signal so that it accidentally bombs your own troops AUTONOMOUSLY then I'd call that a victory for the enemy. And your own troops will riot the instant first case like this happens. Not to mention the danger of this happening even without enemy intervention, through programming error or sensor defect. A drone can't use its own brain when it sees everything doesn't quite add up (such as seeing friendly troops a
t the dropzone).

Except that GPS wont be its only guidance tool. TERCOM and DSMAC is already part of the Tomahawk cruise missile guidance package so there is no doubt future automated drones will have at least that. In any event the drones software will be written to hold on to ords should there be any inconsistencies. Besides many of the drones ords will no doubt be riding laser's  guided by ground troops. I'd bet the drones would be, if anything, less prone to killing friendlies then manned systems are.

But the real hindrance is public perception in a country where every fat arse civilian puke thinks they should have a say in the ROE's of every war their neighbors kid is fighting. They have no stake or children involved in the fight so its easy for them to poke the air with a finger and say how inhuman drones are, most of all pre-programmed ones. THEY have been programmed into believing its more humane when an actual human pulls the trigger and pushes the button. Or they have convinced themselves theres better ways then violence to deal with an enemy who has no "Rules Of Engagement" or rules of any humane kind.

I hope we build Terminators and send them over to murder every terrorist they can find. But thats just me.
« Last Edit: January 08, 2015, 02:40:50 PM by Skuzzy »
"flying the aircraft of the Red Star"

Offline MrRiplEy[H]

  • Persona Non Grata
  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 11633
Re: New F35 issue - no cannon pew pew until 2019 due to software glitch
« Reply #81 on: January 08, 2015, 01:21:51 PM »
I hope we build Terminators and send them over to murder every terrorist they can find. But thats just me.

There is a very short parth from terminators to rule of the machines. A very dangerous path there. AI has enough danger potential as it is let alone you give it weapons.
Definiteness of purpose is the starting point of all achievement. –W. Clement Stone

Offline PR3D4TOR

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2884
Re: New F35 issue - no cannon pew pew until 2019 due to software glitch
« Reply #82 on: January 08, 2015, 02:22:00 PM »


As long as they need humans to maintain, refuel and rearm them I'm not worried too much.
No gods or kings. Only Predator.

Offline Vulcan

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 9891
Re: New F35 issue - no cannon pew pew until 2019 due to software glitch
« Reply #83 on: January 08, 2015, 02:30:09 PM »
Why don't you guys do a tiny bit of research next time before opening your virtual pie holes and spewing all this crap. (Again rhetorical.)

The RQ-170 had one wing lightly damaged and was disassembled for transport. As I said it was a case of he said she said. The USAF did admit the drone appeared LAND erroneously.

The RQ-170 is also quite a different aerodynamic beast to the Predator - I'd wager a flying wing design that left controlled flight would not make a soft 'crash'.

The difference between you and I is I looked at both sides of the story independently whereas I think you're cannot accept the fallibility of such systems. Lockheed Martin and the USAF have been the victims of significant systems penetration and data leakage over the last 5 years (the whole RSA thing was a shocking mess) - so it is highly likely someone may have got their hands on the necessary data to bring down one of these drones.

Maybe you should stop placing your foot in your 'piehole'.

Offline PR3D4TOR

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2884
Re: New F35 issue - no cannon pew pew until 2019 due to software glitch
« Reply #84 on: January 08, 2015, 03:25:36 PM »
See Rules #2, #4
« Last Edit: January 08, 2015, 03:33:29 PM by Skuzzy »
No gods or kings. Only Predator.

Offline MrRiplEy[H]

  • Persona Non Grata
  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 11633
Re: New F35 issue - no cannon pew pew until 2019 due to software glitch
« Reply #85 on: January 09, 2015, 05:00:34 AM »
(Image removed from quote.)

As long as they need humans to maintain, refuel and rearm them I'm not worried too much.

Remember that IF AI becomes smarter than humans it will find ways to literally outsmart us. For example arrange a dozen of drones to be armed with nukes covertly, top secret order (as high a level the system can get) and put a couple of drones circulating Washington. Then it starts making ultimatums and you know whats gonna happen if it detects you cheat...
Definiteness of purpose is the starting point of all achievement. –W. Clement Stone

Offline PR3D4TOR

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2884
Re: New F35 issue - no cannon pew pew until 2019 due to software glitch
« Reply #86 on: January 09, 2015, 06:34:01 AM »
I think you're a couple of degrees of intelligence above an autonomous drone there. Nice plot for a Syfy TV-movie though.  :cheers:
No gods or kings. Only Predator.