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Offline Copprhed

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Re: Please consider removing ENY
« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2015, 10:57:08 AM »
See Rule #4
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Re: Please consider removing ENY
« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2015, 11:01:25 AM »
ENY encourages players to switch sides, yet the "half day rule" discourages switching.  These two things seem rather at odds with one another.  :headscratch:

For the record, I like ENY but the same can't be said for that other thing.
Actually ENY doesn't really encourage players to switch sides, it encourages plane changes so that it takes work to win, the problem is all those out there who want their wins the easy way.......unfairly.
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Re: Please consider removing ENY
« Reply #17 on: January 08, 2015, 11:06:19 AM »
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Re: Please consider removing ENY
« Reply #18 on: January 08, 2015, 11:19:03 AM »
Turn on perma-radar (radar everywhere, except NOE).
Remove the 12-hour rule.
Leave ENY as it is, or allow ENY to enact perk costs on aircraft based on the value.

Problem fixed. Everyone knows where the fight is, everyone can switch to join or follow the fight, and ENY now has a direct effect to balancing gameplay.

I agree with this, except for the radar, I believe it should remain as it is, except for the HQ problem of course. With permanent-radar there would be loss of purpose in strategic targeting of radar towers in the game. IMO it would make things too easy-ish
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Re: Please consider removing ENY
« Reply #19 on: January 08, 2015, 11:30:22 AM »
I agree with this, except for the radar, I believe it should remain as it is, except for the HQ problem of course. With permanent-radar there would be loss of purpose in strategic targeting of radar towers in the game. IMO it would make things too easy-ish

It's no different than modern military strategy - they see everything on the ground and in the air (for the most part), yet strategy is still required 100% of the time.

In the current Aces High, there isn't much real-time strategy. You try to guess what targets are undefended, and try to guess where the enemy is and where he's headed, and then come up with a plane you hope will work based on those guesses. It's not very effective. Once the enemy is over a base  or within your radar ring, sure, you know where they are; but by then, it's almost entirely reactionary.

What you end up with, in a 100% radar environment, is instantaneous strategy. You know where the enemy is massing, and you know where your guys are at, so it actually ends up being a much more dynamic, RTS-style strategy, where you are actively moving forces around to directly counter your opponent.

In the current Aces High, you might see a darbar two grids over, but you have no idea if they're heading to CAP your base, or hit the vbase north of you, or if they're simply bombers climbing to hit a completely unrelated target.

With radar on, you can see the fighters heading straight for your base, which allows you to call up all of your fighters and head them off. In turn, then enemy can see your opposing fighters upping, and they adjust.

It's completely dynamic and results in a much more engaging fight and playstyle.
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Re: Please consider removing ENY
« Reply #20 on: January 08, 2015, 11:35:56 AM »

It seems every night, the ENY climbs on up to 30 or higher, frustrating players like myself who want to up my favorite rides with my squad mates.

Every night there are too many players on your side, it' simple, if you don't want to be the majority YOU switch to the minority.

I don't trade sides since you 1) We don't fly that side and 2) Doing so means you are stuck there for a day or more.

But you said EVERY night there were too many players on your side so it does not sound like you will have to switch back.  Surely this isn't about some silly chesspiece loyalty ?

As a result, I simply log off.  And leaves me one unhappy customer. 

Well, that reduces your countries ENY a bit I guess.

Can you please consider dumping this system?  I've been a player since 2000 and don't understand the notion of denying a player non-perk planes in an effort to side balance?

I think this is disingenuous.  You've played for 14 years and you don't understand how the system works?  You surely meant you "don't agree with how it works"



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Re: Please consider removing ENY
« Reply #21 on: January 08, 2015, 11:41:15 AM »
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Re: Please consider removing ENY
« Reply #22 on: January 08, 2015, 11:43:47 AM »

Seems to me that the obvious solution is to change planes, if you want to stick to your side.  This game has so many nice planes, I've never been able to figure out why people feel trapped into just one or two of them.

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Re: Please consider removing ENY
« Reply #23 on: January 08, 2015, 11:48:15 AM »
Actually it is.  Out-climbing an inferior climber is no different than out running a slower plane in a straight line.  They both amount to the same thing, avoiding the other guy.

And turning tighter in a better turning plane to avoid the other guy isn't the same thing: avoiding the other guy?  :rofl
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Re: Please consider removing ENY
« Reply #24 on: January 08, 2015, 11:51:58 AM »
And turning tighter in a better turning plane to avoid the other guy isn't the same thing: avoiding the other guy?  :rofl

I wouldn't have even responded to his response.

Roping someone is running is how I comprehended that just now.

I thought the object of the game was to kill the other guy even if it "amounts to out climbing" them
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Re: Please consider removing ENY
« Reply #25 on: January 08, 2015, 12:11:03 PM »
It's no different than modern military strategy - they see everything on the ground and in the air (for the most part), yet strategy is still required 100% of the time.

In the current Aces High, there isn't much real-time strategy. You try to guess what targets are undefended, and try to guess where the enemy is and where he's headed, and then come up with a plane you hope will work based on those guesses. It's not very effective. Once the enemy is over a base  or within your radar ring, sure, you know where they are; but by then, it's almost entirely reactionary.

What you end up with, in a 100% radar environment, is instantaneous strategy. You know where the enemy is massing, and you know where your guys are at, so it actually ends up being a much more dynamic, RTS-style strategy, where you are actively moving forces around to directly counter your opponent.

In the current Aces High, you might see a darbar two grids over, but you have no idea if they're heading to CAP your base, or hit the vbase north of you, or if they're simply bombers climbing to hit a completely unrelated target.

With radar on, you can see the fighters heading straight for your base, which allows you to call up all of your fighters and head them off. In turn, then enemy can see your opposing fighters upping, and they adjust.

It's completely dynamic and results in a much more engaging fight and playstyle.

But we have already gone through this following the rise and attempted destruction of mass noe raids.  When radar range was drastically expanded there were not any avenues for a attack to proceed without dot dar.  this gave the fighter jocks (in easy mode) the advantage, while eliminating any tactical advantage (hope) for bombers and heavy attackers (in certain death mode).

We already have bar dar over the entire area.  Im sorry if you dont like having to put a thought into whats going on but it adds a element to the game.

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Re: Please consider removing ENY
« Reply #26 on: January 08, 2015, 12:15:31 PM »
But we have already gone through this following the rise and attempted destruction of mass noe raids.  When radar range was drastically expanded there were not any avenues for a attack to proceed without dot dar.  this gave the fighter jocks (in easy mode) the advantage, while eliminating any tactical advantage (hope) for bombers and heavy attackers (in certain death mode).

The increased radar coverage was very much to the benefit of steamrolling hordes, and very much to the detriment of outnumbered defenders. Lone wolf fighter types trying to break into the enemy stream of attackers to hunt for goons where showing up on dar even when being over their own base. They were easily spotted, goons could avoid them and the horde would jump them.
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Re: Please consider removing ENY
« Reply #27 on: January 08, 2015, 12:20:29 PM »
How does ENY ..... In practice, ( not theory ) contribute to the enjoyment of players?
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Re: Please consider removing ENY
« Reply #28 on: January 08, 2015, 12:21:58 PM »
How does ENY ..... In practice, ( not theory ) contribute to the enjoyment of players?
Makes it so an outnumbered side isn't getting beat up by more numbers in the same/better planes.
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Re: Please consider removing ENY
« Reply #29 on: January 08, 2015, 12:23:59 PM »
How does ENY ..... In practice, ( not theory ) contribute to the enjoyment of players?


I enjoy not having to face a global 5-1 force being all in Ponies, La-7s and Tempests :)
Of course it would be great to have no ENY limiter at all, but then we would have to force balance the sides. ;)

Oh, and by the way; off hours ENY limits are somewhat predictable for different times, and if you get ENY'd a lot during your specific time and hate it, you should consider finding a different chesspiece to fly for.
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