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Offline Rob52240

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Re: Please consider removing ENY
« Reply #30 on: January 08, 2015, 12:25:54 PM »
The current formula to get sides balanced works like this:

ENY goes too high and players log off.
Unfortunately during off hours, half of the players on the country with too many players are in the tower where' they've been AFK since they went to bed.

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Re: Please consider removing ENY
« Reply #31 on: January 08, 2015, 12:29:51 PM »
How does ENY ..... In practice, ( not theory ) contribute to the enjoyment of players?

Well said, that's my point.
As I've explained, I think denying the subscriber their non-perk plane(s) isn't a good idea.

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Re: Please consider removing ENY
« Reply #32 on: January 08, 2015, 12:30:28 PM »
The increased radar coverage was very much to the benefit of steamrolling hordes, and very much to the detriment of outnumbered defenders. Lone wolf fighter types trying to break into the enemy stream of attackers to hunt for goons where showing up on dar even when being over their own base. They were easily spotted, goons could avoid them and the horde would jump them.

yes, we can agree it was a silly idea.  :banana:

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Re: Please consider removing ENY
« Reply #33 on: January 08, 2015, 02:58:22 PM »
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Re: Please consider removing ENY
« Reply #34 on: January 08, 2015, 03:16:13 PM »
Well said, that's my point.
As I've explained, I think denying the subscriber their non-perk plane(s) isn't a good idea.

" I pay my $15.00! I should be able to fly my (insert any overly potent plane in the planeset) and gangtard the countries with much fewer player than my side!!"
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Re: Please consider removing ENY
« Reply #35 on: January 08, 2015, 03:31:06 PM »
No, I read it and was intentionally being overly sarcastic. Whiners gonna whine. If it we your side being overrun by a side which badly outnumbers you, you would then complain about that. Get over it, up earlier war planes (sorry, you will have to learn ACMs) and have fun.
First, do you play in US primetime, or during other off hours?

Second, even if you don't agree with his thoughts on ENY and the side change rule, in the end, it's his reasons, your opinion is irrelevant and doesn't effect you in the least.   It will however effect you if he (and many others) quit because of an unpopular rule.  Try to see things from the other side...
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Re: Please consider removing ENY
« Reply #36 on: January 08, 2015, 03:37:07 PM »
See Rule #2
« Last Edit: January 08, 2015, 04:40:26 PM by Skuzzy »
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Re: Please consider removing ENY
« Reply #37 on: January 08, 2015, 03:37:52 PM »
 :rolleyes:
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Re: Please consider removing ENY
« Reply #38 on: January 08, 2015, 03:41:39 PM »
The increased radar coverage was very much to the benefit of steamrolling hordes, and very much to the detriment of outnumbered defenders. Lone wolf fighter types trying to break into the enemy stream of attackers to hunt for goons where showing up on dar even when being over their own base. They were easily spotted, goons could avoid them and the horde would jump them.

But where you might see this as a problem, I see it as a lack of tactics. Full transparency usually brings inherent problems with mechanics to light; rarely does it create problems in and of itself.

For example, these lone "goon hunters" would be viewable/trackable by everyone themselves (it goes both ways). Therefore, if they are successful, it's because the defenders didn't up their own CAP. And so forth. The goons could easily avoid them by going NOE (forcing the hunters down to a manageable altitude if they want to see them), or they could have their own escort.

This creates a need for squads that are good at CAPs, and squads that are good at low-level bombing, and so on, because the enemy can see you and therefore you need the most effective guys doing what they're good at.

It's just an example, but it's an example of dynamic gameplay. What we have now is really nothing more than a "hope you guess right and see what happens" environment. Everyone goes after the dar bars (because that's where fights look like they might be), or they avoid them (because that's where it looks like the most opposition might be) based on pure speculation.

Personally, I look for the biggest enemy dar bars with the smallest friendly bars, because I want a lot of targets to choose from without a lot of competition from friendly pilots. I don't like rolling with the horde. Yet, due to the current system, I have no way of avoiding the horde because I don't know who I'm fighting or how many I'll be fighting until I get there (and the dar bar constantly fluctuates enroute)... and by then, I'm one of the horde 50% of the time. It's not fun for me and it's not fun for the guys who are getting rolled by the horde.

This doesn't even address the effects it would have on late-night gameplay. Would it make it easier to take part of the map with less players? Yes, but it would also allow the players who want to find fights to find them almost instantly... it's win/win.

Again, all fixable by a perma-radar.
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Re: Please consider removing ENY
« Reply #39 on: January 08, 2015, 03:58:32 PM »
See Rule #2
« Last Edit: January 08, 2015, 04:41:12 PM by Skuzzy »
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Re: Please consider removing ENY
« Reply #40 on: January 08, 2015, 04:05:20 PM »
See Rule #2
« Last Edit: January 08, 2015, 04:41:19 PM by Skuzzy »
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Re: Please consider removing ENY
« Reply #41 on: January 08, 2015, 04:11:16 PM »


This is getting good....  :rofl
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Re: Please consider removing ENY
« Reply #42 on: January 08, 2015, 04:42:13 PM »
This forum is for players to make wishes and subsequent discussions about said wishes.
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Re: Please consider removing ENY
« Reply #43 on: January 08, 2015, 05:08:34 PM »
This forum is for players to make wishes and subsequent discussions about said wishes.

My apologies - I didn't mean to talent off topic.   :salute
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Re: Please consider removing ENY
« Reply #44 on: January 08, 2015, 05:12:12 PM »
There is so much I would like to say, but ill keep it short and sweet.  If you are unwilling to change sides because you are chess piece loyal, and then complain about ENY knowing you can change countries, then you have no reason to complain. 

Again with the same fallacious logic that got so many threads canceled. His request is eny, not time change, that is your wish,  :cry make it elsewhere. You totally missed what Lusche even meant. Get over it already.  :noid



As I see it Eny will have to dealt with until it is not. Accept those things you can not change or choose not to play. Money talks in the business world, but will you be any happier not playing at all? Rough decision. Eny serves the purpose it is intended to better than nothing at all, and nothing at all would suck big time in my opinion.
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