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Re: Players to admire
« Reply #375 on: January 31, 2015, 06:47:57 PM »
There is nothing wrong with the way Skyyr plays. A lot of players fly the same way.
If you like to play differently that's fine too.

Everybody gets to pick their style of play and who they admire for it.
It's only right or wrong according to your personal bias.



Maybe so, but doesn't change the fact he is a self-serving person that needs his ego stroked
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Re: Players to admire
« Reply #376 on: January 31, 2015, 07:07:36 PM »
I think you are wrong. Honour and respect played a large part in the bravery of pilots from both great wars.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPYdEJI3ir4&t=402

Directly from the documentary (at 4:02):

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"These Polish here, they loathed the Germans. All we [British] were interested in was to destroy aeroplanes; whereas the Poles, they wanted to kill anybody that was in these aeroplanes."

Respect and honor have nothing to do with flying style. The pilots above, as many, many other pilots, didn't respect the enemy one bit nor did they care about "being fair." They were there to do one thing: kill the enemy.
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Re: Players to admire
« Reply #377 on: January 31, 2015, 07:11:44 PM »
It's a good thing WWII pilots didn't fly for respect, huh? No, they flew exclusively to win.

And if you believe that. You are more clueless than I thought.  They flew because it was thier job.  A P-39 pilot in New Guniea didn't get to choose his ride or when he engaged.  That was out of his hands.  

A ground attack pilot in a Typhoon or a Jug over France and Germany didn't get to choose the fight.  They did thier job despite the losses to ground fire or being bounced by higher enemy aircraft.

A 109 pilot going up with 20 hours of flight time in 1944 to face 1000 bombers with a thousand escorts was the same.  Only a fool thinks they went up thinking of thier score or winning.  They had a job to do knowing that the odds were they would die.


There is no comparison in the game.  Outside of dying from a heart attack from sitting to long at the computer, there is no risk.  Fly how you choose but save me the garbage about flying only to win.  That's the cartoon pilots excuse for not testing himself in a game where there is no real risk.

The saddest part is you end up missing out on what.can be the most fun in the game.  
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Re: Players to admire
« Reply #378 on: January 31, 2015, 07:22:36 PM »
And if you believe that. You are more clueless than I thought.  They flew because it was thier job.  A P-39 pilot in New Guniea didn't get to choose his ride or when he engaged.  That was out of his hands.  

A ground attack pilot in a Typhoon or a Jug over France and Germany didn't get to choose the fight.  They did thier job despite the losses to ground fire or being bounced by higher enemy aircraft.

A 109 pilot going up with 20 hours of flight time in 1944 to face 1000 bombers with a thousand escorts was the same.  Only a fool thinks they went up thinking of thier score or winning.  They had a job to do knowing that the odds were they would die.

And what do you think "winning" is? It's doing your job and succeeding. That means you kill the enemy as quickly and efficiently as possible.

If you're in a 109 fighting 80+ US fighters, are you going to try some AH-based "honorable" tactic and turn and loop and avoid shots forward of the 3/9 line? No, you're going to shoot down every fighter that crosses your windscreen, whether it's in the face or not; you're going to rope, stay vertical, and do whatever you can to kill as many as you can and then get home alive... because what matters is beating the other guy and nothing else.

The guys here talking of "honor" in combat have no conception of actual warfare.
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Tours:
166 - 190
198 - 204
218 - 220
286 - 287
190 - ---

nrshida: "I almost beat Skyyr after he took a 6 year break!"
A few moments later...

vs Shane: 29-6

"Some men just want to watch the world burn."

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Re: Players to admire
« Reply #379 on: January 31, 2015, 07:24:22 PM »
Skyyr has made it clear that the world is his enemy.

There is only one thing left to say...

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Re: Players to admire
« Reply #380 on: January 31, 2015, 07:26:19 PM »
Skyyr has made it clear that everything red in the game is his enemy.

There is only one thing left to say...

(Image removed from quote.)

Slight correction.

This is a WWII combat sim, after all. How strange that someone would treat the enemy as... the enemy, eh?
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nrshida: "I almost beat Skyyr after he took a 6 year break!"
A few moments later...

vs Shane: 29-6

"Some men just want to watch the world burn."

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Re: Players to admire
« Reply #381 on: January 31, 2015, 07:30:16 PM »
And what do you think "winning" is? It's doing your job and succeeding. That means you kill the enemy as quickly and efficiently as possible.

If you're in a 109 fighting 80+ US fighters, are you going to try some AH-based "honorable" tactic and turn and loop and avoid shots forward of the 3/9 line? No, you're going to shoot down every fighter that crosses your windscreen, whether it's in the face or not; you're going to rope, stay vertical, and do whatever you can to kill as many as you can and then get home alive... because what matters is beating the other guy and nothing else.

The guys here talking of "honor" in combat have no conception of actual warfare.


Read what you wrote.  Your job is to stop the bombers yet there you are hanging high staying safe trying to pick off fighters while the bombers make your home a smoking hole in the ground.  You flew safe and your family died.  Where are you going to hang your Knights Cross and who you going to show it to with no family and no mantle to hang it on?

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Re: Players to admire
« Reply #382 on: January 31, 2015, 07:33:34 PM »

Read what you wrote.  Your job is to stop the bombers yet there you are hanging high staying safe trying to pick off fighters while the bombers make your home a smoking hole in the ground.  You flew safe and your family died.  Where are you going to hang your Knights Cross and who you going to show it to with no family and no mantle to hang it on?



Please point out once where I referenced "picking off fighters" or "hanging high." In my example, I clearly stated the scenario of engaging superior fighter numbers. "Picking" is an AH term, and is something that wouldn't even be questioned in any real air combat scenario; "hanging high" has nothing to do with roping.

If your job is to kill the bombers, you hit the bombers as fast as possible (historically using slashing energy tactics) and then rtb. There's no difference.

I'm not even sure that you're aware of what we're discussing. We're talking about tactics, not mission profiles. You use the best tactic for the mission that's available to you. That is what ACM is about.

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Play however you want - there's nothing wrong with that. However, questioning the use of historical tactics is backwards. The tactics themselves have stood the test of time and are logically the correct response in such situations. If you want to deviate from that, by all means, you have that right. However, questioning players who choose to not deviate isn't a flaw in their style of play, it's a deviation of your own playstyle. If you cannot objectively and tangibly quantify your reasons for doing so, and show them as better, then you cannot fault someone else for not adopting them. And just so that we're clear: "fun," "honor," "respect," and other concepts are neither objective or tangible - they're subjective intangibles.
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Skyyr

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nrshida: "I almost beat Skyyr after he took a 6 year break!"
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vs Shane: 29-6

"Some men just want to watch the world burn."

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Re: Players to admire
« Reply #383 on: January 31, 2015, 07:52:29 PM »

Read what you wrote.  Your job is to stop the bombers yet there you are hanging high staying safe trying to pick off fighters while the bombers make your home a smoking hole in the ground.  You flew safe and your family died.  Where are you going to hang your Knights Cross and who you going to show it to with no family and no mantle to hang it on?



you are engaging in an exercise of futility.....might as well go outside pick up a rock and discuss quantum physics with it, you will have a more responsive and engaging discussion :aok



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Re: Players to admire
« Reply #384 on: January 31, 2015, 07:56:24 PM »
you are engaging in an exercise of futility.....might as well go outside pick up a rock and discuss quantum physics with it, you will have a more responsive and engaging discussion :aok




Potentially the understatement of the century :)
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Re: Players to admire
« Reply #385 on: January 31, 2015, 07:57:17 PM »
 :lol ink .... Funny stuff

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Re: Players to admire
« Reply #386 on: January 31, 2015, 08:03:37 PM »
Maybe so, but doesn't change the fact he is a self-serving person that needs his ego stroked

The notion that his approach to  game play is wrong is simply false.  Your point is about his approach to the community.
That would be a different conversation and it wouldn't be about his flying.


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Re: Players to admire
« Reply #387 on: January 31, 2015, 08:12:18 PM »
Scott Sterling has been my favorite forever.  he wont run, he wont quit and he'll take anything you throw at him without whining.  meet him once and survive and you will call him Scott sterling, meet him twice and survive and you will call him Mr Scott sterling.



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Re: Players to admire
« Reply #388 on: January 31, 2015, 08:22:39 PM »
 ;)


that's why I love the ignore feature


except when people quote those that have earned that honor, then unfortunately I get to see there drivel.

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Re: Players to admire
« Reply #389 on: January 31, 2015, 08:24:04 PM »
The guys here talking of "honor" in combat have no conception of actual warfare.
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