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Building a new rig
« on: February 01, 2015, 03:15:42 PM »
So I'm getting out of the Army and my life should be more stable as far as moving around, so I'm thinking I want to build a new computer so I can run better graphics and such in the games I play. Got a couple of questions(since I know this community is full of knowledge).

Where do I start? Where can I find good deals on parts? How good of a system can I build with 3K?
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Re: Building a new rig
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2015, 03:23:22 PM »
Research benchmarks and performance for the various current-gen and previous gen technology (specifically CPU's and GPU's/Video Cards). Once you have a basic idea of the performance you're after, decide what kind of platform you want to build.

Performance Examples:
1080P gaming system that can run ultra settings on all current and upcoming games  ($$)
1440P gaming system that can run ultra settings on all current and upcoming games ($$$)
4k gaming system that can run ultra settings on all current games ($$$$)

Price vs performance examples:
SLI/crossfire multiple last-gen cards to get great performance in current games for not much money, but isn't as future-proofed
Multiple-monitor setup, settling for medium/high settings for best cost/performance

And so forth.

There's lot of routes to take. You really need to narrow down the parameters of what you'll be playing, how you'll be playing it, and at what resolution, to get an idea of where to go. Once you have those, pricing the parts out becomes much easier.

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Items to consider:
- What resolution do you want to game at (1080p, 1440p, etc.)?
- Are you into 3D and surround-view (curved monitors)?
- What graphic settings do you want to be able to run (maxed vs budget/performance balanced)
- Do you want to run multiple monitors?
- Do you want to run one specific game? Or multiple games? Maybe you're concerned with future-proofing for upcoming games?

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Re: Building a new rig
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2015, 04:31:25 PM »

Items to consider:
- What resolution do you want to game at (1080p, 1440p, etc.)?
o 1440p
- Are you into 3D and surround-view (curved monitors)?
My buddy has a curved TV, I think it kind of was pointless for general TV but for a monitor for a game...I think it could be immersful.
- What graphic settings do you want to be able to run (maxed vs budget/performance balanced)
o maxed...reason being I don't want to have to upgrade for a few years
- Do you want to run multiple monitors?
o no that is not on my list...if anything it would just be 2 but that's so I could say...play AH and change my music and stuff at same time
- Do you want to run one specific game? Or multiple games? Maybe you're concerned with future-proofing for upcoming games?
o I play a few games, AH, Minecraft and StarCraft(Can't wait for Legacy of the Void) currently. I used to be more into console games but most of them are for PC now as well so I figure for me...whats the point?

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Re: Building a new rig
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2015, 04:45:55 PM »
So I'm getting out of the Army and my life should be more stable as far as moving around, so I'm thinking I want to build a new computer so I can run better graphics and such in the games I play. Got a couple of questions(since I know this community is full of knowledge).

Where do I start? Where can I find good deals on parts? How good of a system can I build with 3K?

You can build a pretty nice system for $3k.  New Egg, Amazon, and Tiger Direct are where most people shop for parts online.  

Searching any of those sites will give you the current lay of the land.  I like New Egg because they seem to always have decent customer reviews.  After I've zeroed in on a few different possibilities, I search off site for more authoritative reviews and comparisons if I feel like I need it.  After you've pegged a motherboard, CPU, GPU, Power Supply combo you think is what you're after, you can use places like pcpartpicker.com or posting here in the Hardware section to see areas where you could do better.  

It's not hard and you'll likely think it's almost fun.   :cheers:



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Re: Building a new rig
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2015, 05:01:27 PM »
Based on the above, look into the benchmarks of the Nvidia 970/980 vs AMD 290's. If you plan on staying at 1440p, right now, Nvidia has the market cornered. Nothing wrong with AMD's, as I'm an AMD fanboy myself. However, the AMD's just don't really outperform the Nvidia's until you get into 4k resolutions. This tends to change every 2-3 years, with each company releasing a new architecture to one-up the other.

CPU-wise, Intel has the market and has dominated it for the past several years. AMD processors simply don't match their performance. Some fanboys here argue that under specific games and certain OS setups, the AMD's have a slight advantage - the fact they have to preface that should tell you everything you need to know. Intel has the larger market share, better board support, and better performance overall. AMD CPU's really only shine in terms of cost vs. performance.

Regarding processor differences within a manufacturer (e.g. Intel), keep in mind that CPU is usually the third factor in gaming performance, and rarely does an increase of 10-20% make a huge difference in games, unless you're maxing out your lane bandwidth. That is to say, most current generation and even previous generation processors are adequate for gaming. Go with whatever the latest generation is, but don't pay $200 for an extra 7-10% in performance, and don't hold off buying a current generation processor because the next generation is rumored to offer a 12% increase (an increase you'll undoubtedly also pay more for). Unless you're running something like Shadows of Mordor on Ultra Settings on a three-way 4k monitor setup (effectively 12k resolution), the differences between current gen and last-gen CPU's typically isn't going to impact your performance much at all. There are exceptions, but keep this general rule in mind.

Look at the socket LGA1150 CPU's and motherboards.

Do some research and choose your video card and CPU (if you're building immediately, there's a 90% chance you'll go Nvidia+Intel), then pick a motherboard based on that combo. If you think you might SLI (run 2 or more cards together), then make sure the board supports SLI. If you go with an AMD video card, make sure your board supports crossfire. That is, if you plan or think you might run 2 or more cards.

Choosing your motherboard should be done based on your hardware and what it offers. Aesthetics are also something to keep in mind, if you plan on showing off your rig with a windowed case.

Don't forget about a sound card, if you want an aftermarket one. Most gaming motherboards have an integrated sound card, but if you're building a dream rig, you'll probably want a standalone.

You'll also want a hard drive. I prefer to install the main OS on an SSD (get a 256GB or larger), and then store larger files on a RAID of traditional platter drives. Add in a blue ray player / DVD drive, or two, and you should be set. Don't forget a wireless card if you plan on using WiFi (hard-wired is superior for gaming).

Windows 8.1 offers better gaming performance in most titles released over the last year. I'd go with that over Windows 7 (if you were considering it).

After you have these components, you'll need to select a power supply appropriate to your system. There's some handy power supply calculators. They're never 100% accurate, but they're good to use as general references.
http://powersupplycalculator.net/

Pick out a case that suits your preferences, and make sure it has appropriate cooling. You can always add more fans. If you go into overclocking, you may want to look at watercooling. Corsair has some nice closed-loop stuff that is relatively affordable.

For your monitor, look here - it's the reference monitor to have for gamers pursuing 1440p and a 144hz refresh rate:
http://www.amazon.com/PG278Q-27-Inch-Screen-LED-Lit-Monitor/dp/B00MSOND8C

Just use the above info for a primer, and then start looking at performance and benchmarks.

Remember, the things that matter most are:
- Video card
- Memory (RAM)
- CPU

In that order.

When it comes time to purchase, buy from Amazon if it's sold by Amazon.com if the price is comparable. They have a no-questions asked return policy. NewEgg is a close second, though note their return and exchange policies. DOA parts aren't the norm, but they are relatively common with PC's. It's much easier just returning to a place like Amazon than having to deal with an RMA policy.

You should be able to build a solid setup for $3k.
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Re: Building a new rig
« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2015, 05:14:47 PM »
Don't bother with RAID. Your money would be better served getting a single hard drive with a longer MTBF like the WD RE drives (1.4 million hrs). Don't skimp on PSU, HDD, case, or audio. You can't go wrong with replaceable and extensible components, like:

Seasonic Gold
WD RE 4GB
Sound Blaster ZxR
Antec 1900
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Re: Building a new rig
« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2015, 07:06:27 PM »
Junky,

Start here: http://pcpartpicker.com/

Figure out what your budget is.

Then just how much of a rig you want to build.

Start putting things together, it's going to show you the lowest prices, plus several other alternative sources as well

I just built a rig for about $1330.00   That was for everything.

I cannot say enough about the 970 card, it rocks.

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Re: Building a new rig
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2015, 12:19:29 AM »
Remember to be very careful if you consider a TV as your monitor. Make sure that your tv has a decent input lag rating. Many LG tv:s have 100+ millisecond input lags where some new Sony models are as low as 20 milliseconds. The best monitors can get up to 1.5-4 milliseconds.

Input lag is very nasty for fast games. You can't see it while you play but if you would put a fast monitor alongside of your lagging screen you would see how your screen lags visibly behind the other screen. While your aim is spot on on the fast screen, your slower screen is still not showing your aim is spot on but somewhere else - and if the enemy moves and you have to correct, you're again mercilessly behind the curve. Basically what it means is that fast moving targets are nearly impossible to hit using a lag screen.
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Re: Building a new rig
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2015, 10:12:00 AM »
Basically all has been already said. I second j500ss in using partpicker, here's a direct link to their builder: http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/partlist/. There's a huge lot to choose from, so as a hint I suggest you to narrow your search criteria quite heavily. Also, a single high end video card may perform better than two mediocre ones connected.

Your budget allows for a lot! Here's a quickie as a starting point:

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3VPmBm
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3VPmBm/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core OEM/Tray Processor  ($308.95 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock Fatal1ty Z97X Killer ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($114.99 @ Micro Center)
Memory: G.Skill Trident X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2666 Memory  ($210.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($51.88 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 4GB FTW ACX 2.0 Video Card  ($549.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Define R5 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($107.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 660W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($136.98 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: LG UH12NS30 Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer  ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 (OEM) (64-bit)  ($146.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1663.73
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-02-02 11:09 EST-0500
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Re: Building a new rig
« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2015, 04:34:57 PM »
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($51.88 @ OutletPC)

You can easily do better than one of these drives.

I use the Velociraptors and the RE Sata drives for the PC and the RE SAS for server data.

http://www.wdc.com/wdproducts/library/OVR/ENG/2178-001010.pdf
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Re: Building a new rig
« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2015, 04:38:52 PM »
Thanks for all the information. I'm definitely going to have to hit up some of these sites to narrow down my search.
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Re: Building a new rig
« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2015, 11:57:53 PM »
You can easily do better than one of these drives.

I use the Velociraptors and the RE Sata drives for the PC and the RE SAS for server data.

http://www.wdc.com/wdproducts/library/OVR/ENG/2178-001010.pdf

You can easily do better than one of these drives by getting a Samsung 850 pro or the likes. :D
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Re: Building a new rig
« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2015, 12:47:13 AM »
I already explained to you why recommending an SSD for the primary, or especially solitary drive in a system is a bad idea. If you want to recommend another direction then do that, but in any case you are wrong. A Samsung 850 pro is not better than any RE or XE drive. They are, and always will be, too sensitive to electro static events. To ensure that a system is even 80% protected from these events could very well consume the entire $3500.
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« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2015, 01:02:38 AM »
I already explained to you why recommending an SSD for the primary, or especially solitary drive in a system is a bad idea. If you want to recommend another direction then do that, but in any case you are wrong. A Samsung 850 pro is not better than any RE or XE drive. They are, and always will be, too sensitive to electro static events. To ensure that a system is even 80% protected from these events could very well consume the entire $3500.

The 850 pro is orders of magnitude faster than the RE drives and offer similar reliability. There is a difference albeit with some price penalty.

Your explanation was not technically factual so it can be disregarded. Of course if you think Samsung doesn't know how to design their circuit boards feel free to go and teach them :D They seem pretty confident with the 10 Years or 150TBW warranty though.

The RE drives have a mere 5 years warranty.
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Re: Building a new rig
« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2015, 01:57:52 AM »
You can easily do better than one of these drives.

I use the Velociraptors and the RE Sata drives for the PC and the RE SAS for server data.

http://www.wdc.com/wdproducts/library/OVR/ENG/2178-001010.pdf
My suggestion was merely a relatively reliable storage for games that can easily be reinstalled in case of a hard disk failure. But the RE indeed seems to be a good choice, it's not that much more expensive for the added reliability claims, at least not in the USA. Actually I haven't studied enterprise level hard disks before so thanks for the information!

On the other hand the original question was about better graphics... A Velociraptor for hard disk and a Titan for video card would both fit the 3K budget but would they significantly improve the games JunkyII plays? There's so many variables we don't know about like the monitor(s) to be used, be it about resolution or refresh rate.
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