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Re: Footage of TransAsia Airway plane crash in Taipei
« Reply #75 on: February 09, 2015, 06:03:46 AM »
Yes, the left horizontal stabilizer seems damaged.
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Re: Footage of TransAsia Airway plane crash in Taipei
« Reply #76 on: February 09, 2015, 06:41:59 AM »
no it could not have hit a buliding with horizontal stab. Not without having some other part hitting the building too.
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Re: Footage of TransAsia Airway plane crash in Taipei
« Reply #77 on: February 09, 2015, 07:12:15 AM »
It could have hit cables or wires in between buildings.
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Re: Footage of TransAsia Airway plane crash in Taipei
« Reply #78 on: February 09, 2015, 07:31:24 AM »
It could have hit cables or wires in between buildings.

Or the reason for the engine going feathered was a large component flying off it and hitting the stab.
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Re: Footage of TransAsia Airway plane crash in Taipei
« Reply #79 on: February 10, 2015, 09:07:52 PM »
no it could not have hit a buliding with horizontal stab. Not without having some other part hitting the building too.

It could be a optical illusion but the plane banks left at the moment the tail is over a building. if so the debris should be found.

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Re: Footage of TransAsia Airway plane crash in Taipei
« Reply #80 on: February 11, 2015, 01:28:17 AM »
It could be a optical illusion but the plane banks left at the moment the tail is over a building. if so the debris should be found.

Its more likley that the pilot is pulling up and that the position of the elevator is fooling the eye.
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Re: Footage of TransAsia Airway plane crash in Taipei
« Reply #81 on: February 11, 2015, 10:56:54 AM »
   
John Ylinen:
Clearly this airlines training and those two pilots were not at the required level.
   

TAIPEI, Taiwan (AP) - Taiwan's aviation authority has ordered the suspension of 10 pilots from TransAsia Airways who failed a proficiency test given after one of the airline's planes crashed, killing at least 42 people.

The Civil Aviation Administration said Wednesday the 10 failed the oral exam on handling emergency situations administered after the Feb. 4 crash and need to be retrained. It said 19 other pilots who did not take the test would also be suspended.

The turboprop ATR 72-600 crashed minutes after takeoff from Taipei's airport. Fifteen of the 58 people aboard were rescued and one person is still missing.

A preliminary investigation indicated the plane's pilots shut off a running engine after its other engine went idle, a move that aviation experts said was an error.

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(Reuters) - The Taiwan government ordered all airlines review their safety protocols on Wednesday after nearly half of the pilots trained to fly TransAsia's ATR twin-engined aircraft were suspended following last week's fatal crash in the capital.

Taiwan's aviation regulator said 10 of TransAsia's 49 ATR pilots had failed oral proficiency tests on handling the aircraft during engine failure. A further 19 pilots did not take the test, due to sickness or because they were not in Taiwan, the Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) said.

The 29 pilots who failed or did not take the test have been suspended, the CAA said.

"The result is not acceptable for us," TransAsia chief executive Peter Chen told a news conference. "We will definitely strengthen their training."

Authorities ordered the tests after one of the airline's ATR 72-600s crashed into a river in Taipei killing at least 42 of the 58 on board.

TransAsia Flight GE235 lurched between buildings, clipped an overpass with one of its wings and crashed upside down into shallow water shortly after taking off from a downtown Taipei airport last Wednesday.

Initial data indicates that the plane lost power in one engine after take-off from Taipei's Songshan airport. The power was then cut in the other engine.

Officials in Taiwan and industry analysts have said evidence presented so far raises questions over whether the pilots may have accidentally cut the wrong engine.

"The lunar Chinese new year holiday is coming... We'll ask every local airline to check their flight safety," Chen Jian-Yu, the transportation and communications minister, told reporters after the TransAsia test results were made public.

This was the second TransAsia ATR crash in seven months, and the fifth crash involving the airline since 1995, raising questions about safety standards at Taiwan's third largest carrier.

The pilot and co-pilot of the almost-new turboprop ATR 72-600 were among those killed.

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A TransAsia pilot said the tests were conducted by a CAA official and a pilot from rival carrier Uni Air, a subsidiary of EVA Airways Corp.

"Some of us have stayed up all night to prepare for the tests. The result will affect our career developments significantly," said the pilot, declining to be identified due to the sensitivity of the issue.

"Those who failed will be suspended for one month. They will be given another month for preparation. If they fail again, they will be fired," the pilot told Reuters.

TransAsia has canceled at least 142 flights since the crash.

Initial data from the flight recorders indicate the plane lost power in one of its engine just after lifting off, Taiwan's Aviation Safety Council (ASC) said on Friday.

The crew then shut down the other engine, which was working, and attempted to restart it shortly before the aircraft crashed.

Commercial aircraft can fly with just one working engine, and the authorities have not released any information from the recorders that indicates why the pilots shut down the working engine.

They said on Friday, however, that a combined loss of thrust caused the almost new aircraft to stall soon after take-off.

The plane was powered by two Pratt & Whitney PW127M engines. Pratt & Whitney is part of United Technologies.


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Re: Footage of TransAsia Airway plane crash in Taipei
« Reply #82 on: February 11, 2015, 12:03:25 PM »
The kid piloting that thing was 28yo and had 8,000 hours. His co-Pilot was 30yo and had 5,000 hours.

Thats a lot of hours to "not know" which engine to turn off.
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Re: Footage of TransAsia Airway plane crash in Taipei
« Reply #83 on: February 11, 2015, 12:08:08 PM »
The kid piloting that thing was 28yo and had 8,000 hours. His co-Pilot was 30yo and had 5,000 hours.

Thats a lot of hours to "not know" which engine to turn off.

That's a lot of Parker Pen time.

Then again I stopped counting at 7000 hours at around 28 years, but then again I started flying in 92 and bought my first plane at 25.



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Re: Footage of TransAsia Airway plane crash in Taipei
« Reply #84 on: February 11, 2015, 12:44:50 PM »
Failed the ORAL? Wow. That says something.

I note they say nothing about an actual proficiency check in a simulator.
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Re: Footage of TransAsia Airway plane crash in Taipei
« Reply #85 on: February 11, 2015, 03:10:43 PM »
Failed the ORAL? Wow. That says something.

I note they say nothing about an actual proficiency check in a simulator.
:airplane: You make a good point Toad! I doubt if this airline has a simulator because they are so costly. Most airlines are not run by pilots, but accountants and a lot decisions are made based on the "number"!
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Re: Footage of TransAsia Airway plane crash in Taipei
« Reply #86 on: February 11, 2015, 04:37:45 PM »
Shutting down the wrong engine is unfortunately not just a rookie mistake. It has happened several times before, even with a highly experienced crew in England crashing a B737.
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Re: Footage of TransAsia Airway plane crash in Taipei
« Reply #87 on: February 11, 2015, 05:07:32 PM »
C-5a crew in Dover shut down the wrong engine and crashed landed.
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