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Offline KgB

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Re: "The man that saved Finland" have passed away.
« Reply #30 on: February 15, 2015, 01:42:54 PM »
Quote from: MrRiplEy[H] on February 15, 2015, 01:34:27 PM
Yes you're trolling. You're crapping over this thread with your bs. Roosevelt made the plea before the Tali-Ihantala battle where the Finns stopped the vastly superior (in numbers) Russian force. He did not save anything. If the finnish army didn't stop the russians Helsinki would have been captured and we'd now be ex Soviet Union like the rest of the eastern europe.

You have a point. But to Marshall Vasilevsky, already on June 17 it was decided that after the Soviets took Viborg and the Viborg Bay islands, the offensive would stop at the line Elisenvaara-Imatra-Virojoki, Soviet forces would switch to defense, and the main forces of the Leningrad Front would be concentrated on fighting the German forces in Estonia. And according to Österberg, Stenius, and Östling, the battle of Tali-Ihantala is portrayed in Finland as a Finnish national struggle for survival and "the great defensive victory." This portrayal, these authors allege, is part of a nationalistic view of Finland in World War II, for which the international context is ignored, the role of Finland is exaggerated, and the idea of a separate war is claimed. These authors further contend that substantial German aid is not mentioned or is only hinted at.
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Re: "The man that saved Finland" have passed away.
« Reply #31 on: February 15, 2015, 03:22:19 PM »
Having to choose between Nazis and Soviets. Two sides of the same mass murdering coin.
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Re: "The man that saved Finland" have passed away.
« Reply #32 on: February 15, 2015, 04:48:40 PM »
Oh yes, Russia had to invade ukraine to save it from the ukrainian fashists...
god forbit that they would start minding their own fashists...
http://www.interpretermag.com/putins-russia-more-fascist-than-ukraine-comparison-shows/

Oh yes, and SU25 shot down the airliner too....

What a tool.
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Re: "The man that saved Finland" have passed away.
« Reply #33 on: February 15, 2015, 06:28:13 PM »
I have reported the thread to the moderators and i hope its locked soon. U are a bunch of disrespectful morons..
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Re: "The man that saved Finland" have passed away.
« Reply #34 on: February 16, 2015, 10:24:19 AM »
Quote from: fd ski on February 15, 2015, 04:48:40 PM
Oh yes, Russia had to invade ukraine to save it from the ukrainian fashists...
god forbit that they would start minding their own fashists...
http://www.interpretermag.com/putins-russia-more-fascist-than-ukraine-comparison-shows/

Oh yes, and SU25 shot down the airliner too....

What a tool.

1)Do you even know who those guys are? Should i translate that idiotic comparison graph shown on that site?2) Russia didn't invade Ukraine, prove it otherwise 3) Still waiting on "indisputable evidence" of rebels shooting down airliner promised by our beloved Barak Obama. Anything else?
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Re: "The man that saved Finland" have passed away.
« Reply #35 on: February 16, 2015, 10:29:46 AM »
Quote from: Zimme83 on February 15, 2015, 06:28:13 PM
I have reported the thread to the moderators and i hope its locked soon. U are a bunch of disrespectful morons..
There were no orders to capture Helsinki.  That dude didnt save Finland, deal with it.
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Re: "The man that saved Finland" have passed away.
« Reply #36 on: February 16, 2015, 10:32:26 AM »
So KgB, you think the Soviets were justified in invading Finland and the Baltic states?
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Re: "The man that saved Finland" have passed away.
« Reply #37 on: February 17, 2015, 03:08:40 PM »
Quote from: PR3D4TOR on February 16, 2015, 10:32:26 AM
So KgB, you think the Soviets were justified in invading Finland and the Baltic states?
How you managed to connect to separate issues is beyond me. Its as if i asked you "So you think the Nazi's were justified in invading France?"
Finns did not produce even remote number of noticeable people as lets say USA,Germany, Italy, England,France.......
It is only natural that they clinch to every opportunity to claim a Hero. They even list AngryBirds as an "invention" on wiki page.
So that fairy tail of Finns (and germans, they never mention that) fighting 3 times exaggerated number of reds, with Finnish supperman single handed killing two battalions of seasoned solders thus saving city that was never intended to be captured in the first place does not surprise me.
God bless their hearts:)
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Re: "The man that saved Finland" have passed away.
« Reply #38 on: February 17, 2015, 03:40:43 PM »
Quote from: KgB on February 16, 2015, 10:29:46 AM
There were no orders to capture Helsinki.  That dude didnt save Finland, deal with it.


Yep they brought the parade gear just for fun with them. Ready written banderols and everything lol. You've been reading too many russian history books that have been written purpose mindedly.
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Re: "The man that saved Finland" have passed away.
« Reply #39 on: February 18, 2015, 12:17:27 PM »
Quote from: Rich46yo on February 15, 2015, 11:20:08 AM
until it became clear that was a wrong decision then you kicked them out

Ohh it was very much the right and only decision Finland could make. With out that desicion the front line would have been from Helsinki to Inari between Red Army and German Army and Finns would have experienced similar horros Poland and Baltic countries had to face during WWII.
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Re: "The man that saved Finland" have passed away.
« Reply #40 on: February 18, 2015, 02:14:43 PM »
 :salute
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« Reply #41 on: February 18, 2015, 09:56:40 PM »
Quote from: Wmaker on February 18, 2015, 12:17:27 PM
Ohh it was very much the right and only decision Finland could make. With out that desicion the front line would have been from Helsinki to Inari between Red Army and German Army and Finns would have experienced similar horros Poland and Baltic countries had to face during WWII.

I agree.  :salute To this fallen Hero.
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Re: "The man that saved Finland" have passed away.
« Reply #42 on: February 19, 2015, 09:52:38 AM »
It is unfortunate this degraded to where it had.
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