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Cherry Rushin reporting
Reenactor hit by live fire. All ammo was checked prior and confirmed as crimped blank. A friend who was there (and is a Sandbox combat vet) says he saw 2 live rounds hit and thinks he heard a 3rd.

Unconfirmed report, one Doug Neidermeyer is a person of interest.
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Re: German soldier shot in Texas battle according to a Rushin news report
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2015, 06:19:36 AM »
The guy who fired the shots has to know it was him even if it was an accident. There is a very obvious difference between blanks and live rounds. He should go to jail!

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Re: German soldier shot in Texas battle according to a Rushin news report
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2015, 06:35:57 AM »
Live Action Roleplay with real guns? Sure that's a great Idea!

Were they shooting a movie or something? Or are they just "military history enthusiasts"?
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Re: German soldier shot in Texas battle according to a Rushin news report
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2015, 06:56:45 AM »
"Crimped blanks" can sometimes be dangerous themselves if fired at close range.  The crimped part of the casing can sometimes break off and fly downrange causing injury if it hits someone.  The report says the man suffered a "deep graze".  That's not very specific, but sounds to me like something a blank round could do.  I have seen people injured by blank rounds in person, although they were shotgun blanks and they were struck by the wadding.  One of my friends got 5 stitches on the right butt cheek from a shotgun wadding.

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Re: German soldier shot in Texas battle according to a Rushin news report
« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2015, 07:08:24 AM »
In the British army we used BFA's (Blank Firing Adaptors).  Big ugly yellow things that stopped anything from leaving the barrel but even then at close range it was still dangerous.

Obviously in a re-enactment you do not want something like that attached to the rifle.  Perhaps a conversion to .22 and then crimped rounds.  If someone (idiot) wants to sneak live .22 then they would have to be very very deliberate to cause serious damage.

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Re: German soldier shot in Texas battle according to a Rushin news report
« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2015, 07:23:25 AM »
Jeez. Even when the Allies use blanks the Germans lose. Hope the guy's ok.
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Re: German soldier shot in Texas battle according to a Rushin news report
« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2015, 08:11:59 AM »
Lol

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Re: German soldier shot in Texas battle according to a Rushin news report
« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2015, 08:18:47 AM »
Yep at close range a blank can be lethal   

I remember a fer yrs ago a man was shot during a Gettysburg reinactment  how that happened given the type of firearm they used is beyond me

Hopefully this was just a stupid accident, and the guy heals up quick 
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Re: German soldier shot in Texas battle according to a Rushin news report
« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2015, 08:24:38 AM »
Do they keep a list of who showed up with what type of firearm at these events?

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Re: German soldier shot in Texas battle according to a Rushin news report
« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2015, 10:36:27 AM »
"Crimped blanks" can sometimes be dangerous themselves if fired at close range.  The crimped part of the casing can sometimes break off and fly downrange causing injury if it hits someone.  The report says the man suffered a "deep graze".  That's not very specific, but sounds to me like something a blank round could do.  I have seen people injured by blank rounds in person, although they were shotgun blanks and they were struck by the wadding.  One of my friends got 5 stitches on the right butt cheek from a shotgun wadding.

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We used to cut firewood during winter training , firing 7.62mm MG  blanks  from close range in tree branches ,  the pressure effect blasts wood in toothpicks pieces;  I don't know how are made here,  i found this photos, this is exactly how our blanks were looking back in "80s;  I seen many empty with missing top, sure can cause injuries; `



The 14.5 mm blank  was made diferent ,maybe safer, has some pressed paper cork on top, but the blast was more powerful, makes 10-15 ft. flame , and most steel cartridges cracked after firing;




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Re: German soldier shot in Texas battle according to a Rushin news report
« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2015, 11:37:30 AM »
Any similarity to the death of Brandon Lee?  He died at my local hospital, New Hanover Co Regional, while filming "The Crow".  The report stated that it was a "bullet fragment".
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Re: German soldier shot in Texas battle according to a Rushin news report
« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2015, 04:24:47 PM »
From what I remember Brandon lee was killed by a squib load

The crew pulled the bullets from the brass, and dumped the powder out then replaced the bullet. What they forgot to do was pull the primer from the brass. When the gun was fired in an earlier scene ( camera shot wanted to show a "loaded" gun) the bullet got stuck in the barrel due to the primer not having enough power to make the bullet discharge from the gun. Then in the scene he was killed in the gun was loaded with blanks. When discharged the stuck bullet flew out and fragments of it killed him
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Re: German soldier shot in Texas battle according to a Rushin news report
« Reply #13 on: February 09, 2015, 06:50:19 PM »
When I make blanks for re enactment purposes, I use old brass cases with new primers and powder.  I use the green foam stuff they stick flowers in at flower shops.  It crumbles pretty much on touch and burns almost instantly.  I shot it at a piece of computer paper from 6" away and only got powder burns on the target. 

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Re: German soldier shot in Texas battle according to a Rushin news report
« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2015, 05:11:49 AM »
When my army reserve unit was about to use blanks for the first time. A target was set up by the Lieutenant. He fired several shots at it point blank to show us how dangerous it was. He also told us how someone had killed themselves by placing a blank firing gun to their head because he was under the impression it wouldn't do him any harm. The pressure alone is dangerous. Then he threatened dire consequences to any soldier he caught firing blanks close to another man. We were duly impressed.

But that was all close up. At any distance the effect would be minimal. I couldn't see how any part of a blank would injure someone at the range the re-enactors were using. Besides a veteran at the scene heard live rounds. I think we can safely assume he knows what they sound like.