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Offline mthrockmor

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Building my own machine
« on: February 15, 2015, 09:19:34 AM »
I've always wanted to build my own machine. Would someone give me a list of items I need to puchase in order to do so? I know I start with a tower/box, etc.

Also, is there a good online source I can buy parts wholesale, not retail?

Thanks in advance.

Boo

PS I'm getting ready for AH3
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Offline Bizman

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Re: Building my own machine
« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2015, 09:27:07 AM »
Pcpartpicker has a nice building app. It features nice filters to narrow down your choices and it even looks for incompatibility issues by default. After having made your choice you can then export the compilation here for us to evaluate.

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Re: Building my own machine
« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2015, 10:12:20 AM »
Just in the recent threads there are two examples of a cheap setup and a more expensive setup. Those would be a good place to start from. The other costs 750 dollars and the other 1600 dollars.
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Re: Building my own machine
« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2015, 10:33:59 AM »
I second pcpartspicker.

I spent a lot of time on that site, reading, evaluating, putting together different builds, ect, ect.

The home page shows some different level builds, check them out!  Then go start putting things together.


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Re: Building my own machine
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2015, 02:41:55 PM »
to build a machine

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Re: Building my own machine
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2015, 12:38:14 PM »
Last time I went parts shopping for a new build, I went to newegg and started looking at cases with a bazillion reviews.  Some really inexpensive cases have over 5000 positive reviews, so you may be pretty safe.  I ended up with a (now discontinued) coolermaster mini-tower for about $45, and it has been awesome to work with.  Newegg sells a few hundred different kinds of cases so go to their case pages, filter by whatever features you need (mobo size, with or without PSU, USB 3.0 ports, whatever you need/want), and then sort by price.  Work from the lowest price up to the first case that has a few hundred or more reviews and has the looks/features you want.  That's where you START :)  Then google that case and look for any review sites that looked at the case.

It doesn't really take all that long.

You need:
Case - big enough for your parts including motherboard size
PSU (power supply), probably need minimum 450-500w for a reasonably priced build
Motherboard - needs to support the latest consumer intel cpus.  your choice will revolve around brand, size (atx, mini-atx, etc), and how much money you want to throw at extra features.
CPU - I strongly prefer intel for performance and reliability, plus better driver support.  Get the fastest quad core intel i5 cpu that fits your budget.
Memory - absolute minimum 4GB for win7, 8GB is a sweet spot right now, 16GB will mean you can pretty much forget about upgrading memory because you'll have "enough" for a long time.
hard drive - Depends 100% on how much money you have to throw at speed.  $150ish will get you a very nice/fast 2GB western digital black.  $400ish will get you a 1TB Samsung 840 EVO SSD which is super fast and should be very reliable.  I strongly recommend against getting a small "boot drive" SSD, because you'll end up having to fiddle with it all the time.  If you absolutely must have an SSD and can't afford a big one, get at least a 256GB SSD, match it with a 1 or 2 TB regular hard drive, and move your "personal folders" to the bigger drive.  I personally saved my pennies and got 1TB SSDs and a big external network shared storage device for really big stuff, so I wouldn't have to fiddle with it.
Video card.  You pay for speed, period.  I prefer NVidia but that's my personal preference.  Shop around.
Optical drive - DVD-RW for cheap, or BD drive if you want to watch Blu-ray movies on your pc
Keyboard/mouse
Monitor - TN panels are faster for gaming, but their colors suck and the color changes when you move your head.  PVA and IPS panels have better colors but might streak or smear a bit with very fast action on the screen.  IPS panels sometimes have bright "black levels" so they're not always the best for watching movies on the computer, but a premium IPS panel will have the best color gamut and accuracy after calibration.  You can get a decent cheapo IPS panel 22-24" in size for well under $200 on sale.  That kind of monitor wouldn't satisfy a professional photographer but its plenty good enough for most uses.  Look at gaming websites for recommendations for gaming monitors.

For PSU, you can do the sort/filter thing or just take someone's advice.  I love seasonic power supplies.  Slightly more expensive but all 4 of my seasonic PSUs have been running for years without any problems and they're very quiet.

For mobo, I go with a name brand and again filter by features, sort by price, and work from the bottom up until I get the cheapest one with the right features.  I have had the most good luck with ASUS motherboards over the last 15 years, hands down.

Memory, I like g-skill but the key is to not over-buy speed.  Get memory rated for the max "non-overclocked" speed of your mobo and cpu and you'll be fine.  8GB is the sweet spot for now I think.

Hard drive - again, I like a 1TB SSD.  I have 2 Samsung 840 EVO drives and they're fast.  Early reports questioned their reliability due to the technology used but so far there have been ZERO reports of any sort of inherent flaw in these drives, after a couple of years on the market.

CPU - get the fastest quad-core intel i5 cpu you can afford.  You don't need an i7 cpu for gaming unless you also run multiple virtual machines (like you're running multiple game servers or just want multiple VMs for some reason), and the i3 cpus are cut down too much for gaming in my opinion.  Don't get "Pentium" or "Celeron" branded cpus as they're really cut down, unless you are truly on a miniscule budget.

As for wholesale prices, you'll have to shop around, really.  You can find deals at amazon.com or any number of smaller shops, but I've found that the good return policies of amazon and newegg pretty much balance out any price difference, and amazon prime free shipping can make a huge difference in final cost when buying lots of components.
« Last Edit: February 16, 2015, 12:39:53 PM by eagl »
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Re: Building my own machine
« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2015, 10:09:05 PM »
I know it's a never ending saga, and there is always a new chipset on the horizon, but consider that by July or August the new Intel Skylake platform will likely be out, which will give you the option of the "newest, latest, and greatest", or at the very least drive the prices down on stuff that's out right now.

Good advice here already, I would recommend a couple of things based on my recent upgrades and purchases. Don't bother with "Gsync", nVidia's new technology, I have it with 2 monitors, one 1440p 144hz TN panel and one IPS 4k panel - it isn't worth it IMO, especially for Aces High.

I would however highly recommend getting a 144hz monitor, Asus and Benq both make 24" and larger, and you can snipe them on sale for the 200$ range at times.  144hz = 144fps capability, and despite what many will say, it does make a difference, quite a large one in fact.  Considering the pricing, it's crazy not to get one IMO.

Otherwise, there are tons of options out there now, most all of them good.  Most agree that the i5 4690k is the sweet spot for a CPU (several gaming sites have done comparisons with various cpu/gpu combos, and the CPU makes little difference in games, it's almost all GPU, so long as you have a good i5 or i7).  There are many great video card options, the 960 through the 980, and AMD has some new stuff coming along soon too.  My local builder makes a nice 4690k box for less than 1200$ Canadian,  under 1000$ US right now, including Win8.   http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX55667  .  This system compared to 3000$ monsters - the result for AH will be nil difference for the most part, at least with the game as it stands now.  If I was doing it over again, I would get 2 systems much like the above and save myself 4000$ over the 2 I built for over 3000$k each.

There are many here that can help you build your box if you decide to do so, there are also many great youtube videos out now, LInusTechTips has a complete set of videos on how to build your system from 0 to 60 that are excellent.  It's a lot of fun, and easier than you think.  The bios settings is probably the most difficult part, and it's a snap really.
« Last Edit: February 18, 2015, 10:11:07 PM by Gman »

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Re: Building my own machine
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2015, 12:01:10 AM »
AOC makes the fastest input lag 144hz screen on the market currently. It's a pure gaming screen so it will have limited viewing angles and the TN panel will not be suitable for photo editing etc uses. They're also the cheapest screens sold (at least at our retailers).


I'm planning to buy a 27" model for testing.
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Re: Building my own machine
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2015, 05:35:21 PM »
Might not be news to anyone but i was reading about a 120hz IPS panel that is out :

Tempest X270OC - IPS 27" WQHD 2560x1440 Display, 120Hz Capable

It seems like the best of both worlds ... speed of a TN panel with the quality of an IPS .  Anyone have any experience with these?  Figures... i just bought a Benq 2720Z 144hz otherwise I would have given the tempest a look.

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Re: Building my own machine
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2015, 11:55:42 PM »
I did some more research on the AOC and it seems it uses PWM backlight. No-go for me unfortunately.

I switched the screen to Iiyama 144hz model with 'flicker-free' system.
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