Bought a Glock19 today

[CAP1]

Thanks Bailey, maybe someday. A PD gets squirrely about conversions after purchase except for night sights.

FX I wish I'd kept that original 645 cause it was double/single and would be grandfathered in before the idiot proof trigger requirement.

Rip I already have a 1911. Lol unfortunately I cant carry it. In this you are probably more "free" then me.

 i think you guys would have to worry about lawsuits and such too, if you ever really needed to use it....and it was found out your pistol was modded in any way.

[CAP1]

Couldn't spike much of a reaction with ol' Rich.
Congrats on your purchase.

Rich, agree on the 1911 for conceal and carry, it's bulky!

I don't carry my Colt 1911 (made in 1916-95% condition) either but I do have a Para Ord P12 .45 ACP (double stack 11+1) that is a really nice fit with a Tucker & Byrd pancake holster.

The Colt is too valuable to carry anyway.

i used to carry my 1911compact. even that was hard to conceal, and heavy. i gave up on that, and now carry a ruger sr9c. i like it a lot. nice smooth, light trigger, easy to conceal, and i can drill holes at 10 yards with it. i still carry a full size 1911 at home though.

[Rich46yo]

i think you guys would have to worry about lawsuits and such too, if you ever really needed to use it....and it was found out your pistol was modded in any way.

Well Cap it all depends on who you are. This city is like a medieval fiefdom. Kings, Queens, Knights, Princesses, Squires, Barons, serfs....ect "Heavy" enough and you can get water turned into wine.

Unfortunately I'm a serf whose only skills are for meaningless things like making pinches, spotting criminals, shooting, self defense....ect None of the important ones. So as a serf no modding for me but thats OK. Im getting old but can still shoot any weapon pretty well.

[Maverick]

Rich, good choice there. I agree with Gman the 19 is the best of the 9's that Glock puts out for constant carry. I started with the 17 when my PD transitioned from all wheelguns. The 17 was OK but it was too big for off duty in the desert SW. I got a 19 for offduty carry and found it shot so nice that I started carrying it both on and off duty. It was the same size overall, other than width, as my old Offiocers model and far far lighter. I found I forgot I was carrying it IWB style compared to my Officers Model. I used that same 19 for more than 10 years including as a Motor where it was exposed to the elements al lot more than regular Patrol carry. Since I used it for duty I didn't have to buy ammo for offduty use. I still have the thing and the only change has been the slide was hard chromed after about 5 years of dual use and I have the next size taller rear sight. The finish started to wear and a guy who did refinishing for a lot of Cops did a really nice job with it. It shoots better than I can hold today and I have muti thousands of rounds through it. I also used it to compete in what used to be called Combat Pistol competition way back when.

I would decline to put in an after market trigger bar though. Leave it bone stock there in case you have to use it then defend the use of it in court. We both know an attorney has no obligation to remain truthful in court and innuendos carry far more weight than it should in the minds of a jury.

Modern ammo like Hornady critical defense / duty makes the 9 the equal in effectiveness to the old 45 even with today's ammo. Don't let it worry you, there is a more than adequate history behind the new ammo in actual shootings to prove the point.

I don't carry the 19 now because I have transitioned to smaller and lighter for carry but I do drag it out for the annual LEOSA qualification. It's also just fun to shoot. It's second only to my old wheelgun (S&W 66) that I started with since I'm still an old revolver guy.

[SmokinLoon]

Rich, good choice there. I agree with Gman the 19 is the best of the 9's that Glock puts out for constant carry. I started with the 17 when my PD transitioned from all wheelguns. The 17 was OK but it was too big for off duty in the desert SW. I got a 19 for offduty carry and found it shot so nice that I started carrying it both on and off duty. It was the same size overall, other than width, as my old Offiocers model and far far lighter. I found I forgot I was carrying it IWB style compared to my Officers Model. I used that same 19 for more than 10 years including as a Motor where it was exposed to the elements al lot more than regular Patrol carry. Since I used it for duty I didn't have to buy ammo for offduty use. I still have the thing and the only change has been the slide was hard chromed after about 5 years of dual use and I have the next size taller rear sight. The finish started to wear and a guy who did refinishing for a lot of Cops did a really nice job with it. It shoots better than I can hold today and I have muti thousands of rounds through it. I also used it to compete in what used to be called Combat Pistol competition way back when.

I would decline to put in an after market trigger bar though. Leave it bone stock there in case you have to use it then defend the use of it in court. We both know an attorney has no obligation to remain truthful in court and innuendos carry far more weight than it should in the minds of a jury.

Modern ammo like Hornady critical defense / duty makes the 9 the equal in effectiveness to the old 45 even with today's ammo. Don't let it worry you, there is a more than adequate history behind the new ammo in actual shootings to prove the point.

I don't carry the 19 now because I have transitioned to smaller and lighter for carry but I do drag it out for the annual LEOSA qualification. It's also just fun to shoot. It's second only to my old wheelgun (S&W 66) that I started with since I'm still an old revolver guy.

I agree on a couple of things:

1> Leave the stock trigger along.  Shoot the hell out of if and break it in, you dont need to have a "light" trigger on a duty or combat gun.
2> Do not discount the 9mm when using modern HP ammo, especially in +P+ config. The wound channels are impressive.  Compared to 20 years ago the 9mm has vaulted forward in viability. When comparing military FMJ stuff, the .45 ACP will have an edge over the 9mm. Not so when using modern HP.
 

[CAP1]

Well Cap it all depends on who you are. This city is like a medieval fiefdom. Kings, Queens, Knights, Princesses, Squires, Barons, serfs....ect "Heavy" enough and you can get water turned into wine.

Unfortunately I'm a serf whose only skills are for meaningless things like making pinches, spotting criminals, shooting, self defense....ect None of the important ones. So as a serf no modding for me but thats OK. Im getting old but can still shoot any weapon pretty well.

 yea, i hear ya. my thought process comes from living in nj. things are so goofy here, that if i were to use reloads in a self defense shooting....i'd probably end up at the mercy of the badguy, or his heirs.....'cause they'll use anything. shot with a "hot" load? why did you want only to kill him? shot with a light load? why did you feel the need to maim him, or make him suffer? modded gun? so apparently mr cap, you were itching to kill someone, otherwise why would you have a special trigger installed?

 silly crap like that.......

[Rich46yo]

Yeah no Mods except for the allowed night sights.

I have smaller carry guns. A Ruger LCP, a SW M-36, even a 3953. Mostly I throw a .380 in my pocket off duty and an extra magazine. If I have ANY advice here ALWAYS carry an extra reload. But if you had to paint a picture of a person who wants to avoid a gun fight more then anyone else that pictures me. Ive lost all trust in the system and am tired of being vilified. But you might end up with your back to the wall and no other options.

Im really amazed at the weight of the Glock. Everything I own is steel and when I picked up the empty M-19 it was like a feather. Now I hear the Hot Glock is the 34 and they are hard to find. We'll see, if I ever compete again. Frankly its just fun to be doing a little shooting again.

[helbent]

Congrats, I own a 27 gen 4 and carry it concealed.

You must know how to clean it properly, so here is a vid  for you.  Practice makes perfect so watch it over and over if you feel the need to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1m6Qct68wo

[helbent]

Here is my holster also. (no vid, sorry heheheh)

Nobody, except cops, is able to identify what it is.  Well, it is extremely rare someone asks me what it is.  I tell them it's my tablet, medical kit, binoculars etc...  and then there are some I tell the truth to.

http://www.sneakypeteholsters.com/glock-27-sneaky-pete-holster-belt-clip/

Edit:  If you go this route for a holster, go with the belt clips over the belt loops.  It's a lot easier to grab the bottom of the clips and remove it as opposed to removing your belt entirely.

Good luck, be careful, shoot alot, know your weapon, take a safety course and God Bless America.

[Gman]

Living in a non-ccw allowed country I don't always consider the potential legal ramifications of an aftermarket trigger - the only time I've carried a pistol is in an area of ops where the odds of a lawsuit where a lighter trigger would play a factor is zero.  I do understand that with the current atmosphere in the USA, it could be very much the case.  The 5 to 5.5ish # trigger isn't all that much heavier than the 3.5lb anyway, it's more about other factors than the weight with the improved trigger press anyway IMO.

One thing nobody has mentioned much is the sights.  If you haven't tried the Vickers/Wilson Glock sights, and ever plan on changing your Glock sights, try these ones out.  Excellent sights, the best Glock sights I've used, night or otherwise.  I wouldn't necessarily say it's worth the $ if you already have night/good aftermarket sights, but if you have the Glock factory sights, these are the ones to get IMO.

Do any of you USA guys doing ccw use a pocket magazine holder of some kind for your extra mag, if you're carrying just a single and not using a typical belt mounted mag holder?  Again, not  product that has much use where I'm from unfortunately, but I read some stuff recently about the leather or kydex single mag holder that is shaped to sit in your pocket, and present the magazine in a consistent way other than just in your pocket how it ends up sitting randomly.  I agree that a pistol without a reload is a terrible idea, not just for the extra ammunition obviously, but primarily for stoppage drills - a worst case scenario stoppage where stripping the magazine is required to clear it leaves one in a poor spot without an easily accessible replacement mag, as trying to retain your only magazine while working the stoppage = tricky stuff, and will slow the whole operation by a large factor.  I could also understand though that doing CCW in warmer weather with a belt mounted mag holder on the opposite side of what you're trying to hide on the other (the pistol) makes concealment even more difficult overall.  That's why I found the whole pocket mag holder an interesting little piece of kit.

I had a Glock 34, not a gen4, and they were very popular in the Gen3 days as well.  Everybody and their dog that shot competition in the various classes that allowed it were shooting it in my parts.  I still prefer the G19 if I was carrying due to size/dimensions/etc.

[CAP1]

Living in a non-ccw allowed country I don't always consider the potential legal ramifications of an aftermarket trigger - the only time I've carried a pistol is in an area of ops where the odds of a lawsuit where a lighter trigger would play a factor is zero.  I do understand that with the current atmosphere in the USA, it could be very much the case.  The 5 to 5.5ish # trigger isn't all that much heavier than the 3.5lb anyway, it's more about other factors than the weight with the improved trigger press anyway IMO.

One thing nobody has mentioned much is the sights.  If you haven't tried the Vickers/Wilson Glock sights, and ever plan on changing your Glock sights, try these ones out.  Excellent sights, the best Glock sights I've used, night or otherwise.  I wouldn't necessarily say it's worth the $ if you already have night/good aftermarket sights, but if you have the Glock factory sights, these are the ones to get IMO.

 i only carry at home, and at work, as in nj, you will not get a carry permit. there's less than 1500 in the entire state. at work, where i carry my ruger, i keep a spare mag in the thigh pocket. at home where i carry my 1911, i don't carry a spare mag, as there's always a rifle or shotgun pretty close....so the 1911 will essentially only need to cover me long enough to get to one of those.
 of course, it goes without saying, that i(as i'm sure most anyone is) hope to never need them.

Do any of you USA guys doing ccw use a pocket magazine holder of some kind for your extra mag, if you're carrying just a single and not using a typical belt mounted mag holder?  Again, not  product that has much use where I'm from unfortunately, but I read some stuff recently about the leather or kydex single mag holder that is shaped to sit in your pocket, and present the magazine in a consistent way other than just in your pocket how it ends up sitting randomly.  I agree that a pistol without a reload is a terrible idea, not just for the extra ammunition obviously, but primarily for stoppage drills - a worst case scenario stoppage where stripping the magazine is required to clear it leaves one in a poor spot without an easily accessible replacement mag, as trying to retain your only magazine while working the stoppage = tricky stuff, and will slow the whole operation by a large factor.  I could also understand though that doing CCW in warmer weather with a belt mounted mag holder on the opposite side of what you're trying to hide on the other (the pistol) makes concealment even more difficult overall.  That's why I found the whole pocket mag holder an interesting little piece of kit.

I had a Glock 34, not a gen4, and they were very popular in the Gen3 days as well.  Everybody and their dog that shot competition in the various classes that allowed it were shooting it in my parts.  I still prefer the G19 if I was carrying due to size/dimensions/etc.

[Slash27]

One thing nobody has mentioned much is the sights.  If you haven't tried the Vickers/Wilson Glock sights, and ever plan on changing your Glock sights, try these ones out.  Excellent sights, the best Glock sights I've used, night or otherwise.  I wouldn't necessarily say it's worth the $ if you already have night/good aftermarket sights, but if you have the Glock factory sights, these are the ones to get IMO.

https://www.xssights.com/Products.aspx?CAT=8208

I went with these on my 17 and 19.

[helbent]

Also here are some shooting grip essentials.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDnEkFSMRik

[Gman]

XS sights are decent as well, sold/installed/used many of them over the years, we were the Canadian distributors for their stuff back in the early 2000s.  The big dot on CCW pistols is fantastic for picking up your front site on a short sight radius pistol.

[Rich46yo]

Well I got tru glo  TFX night sights cause the front sight looked really good to me. Of course finding the front sight is everything in combat shooting. Its big, green, round, and illuminated. I could have spent like "forever" looking at sights but often first impulse is enough.

Probable carry load will be Win Ranger 124 grn JHP +P. I used to go with Speer 110 +P+'s but we have Denizens who like to wear 3 or 4 leather coats in winter, cause they are cold, and they make for a pretty good street BPV. Ive heard reports raving about the 147 grn JHPs but I'll never trust them I dont think. Not after the after shooting reports Ive read when we adopted it. Remember? After the Miami fiasco the FBI went to the 147 grn SS's and all the PDs followed?

In the early years they were crap.