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Re: Bought a Glock19 today
« Reply #30 on: February 26, 2015, 05:39:51 PM »
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Have you ever seen any data (or used) CorBon rounds? I use them in most of my ccw handguns. My dad was an instructor for the PA State PD and I still have a relationship with some of the troopers he trained. A few of them turned me on to them and I find they function flawlessly in all my firearms.  They are also  very popular amongst many of my customers at the indoor range/gunshop I use to work at and still help out at on occasion . Guess what I'm asking is do you have any feedback on them in your professional backgrounds?

Funny story about growing up......my dad was a Maine and Pa state trooper, his twin brother was DEA, and his oldest brother was INS. Their father (my grandfather) was a "beat cop" in Boston then detective.  My moms side was all Methodist Ministers  my grandfather, 4 uncles and 3 cousins all ministers. Growing up I was under the impression that if I screwed up I was going to Jail or Hell       :D
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Re: Bought a Glock19 today
« Reply #31 on: February 26, 2015, 07:08:10 PM »
Rich / Gman

Have you ever seen any data (or used) CorBon rounds? I use them in most of my ccw handguns. My dad was an instructor for the PA State PD and I still have a relationship with some of the troopers he trained. A few of them turned me on to them and I find they function flawlessly in all my firearms.  They are also  very popular amongst many of my customers at the indoor range/gunshop I use to work at and still help out at on occasion . Guess what I'm asking is do you have any feedback on them in your professional backgrounds?

Funny story about growing up......my dad was a Maine and Pa state trooper, his twin brother was DEA, and his oldest brother was INS. Their father (my grandfather) was a "beat cop" in Boston then detective.  My moms side was all Methodist Ministers  my grandfather, 4 uncles and 3 cousins all ministers. Growing up I was under the impression that if I screwed up I was going to Jail or Hell       :D

Until you fire hundred and hundreds of rounds of CorBon though your gun (s), I'd hesitate to say "flawless". There is a whole lot more to labeling something as so absolute as "flawless".

There is tons of data on CorBon ammo, so a quick search and you'll see why it isn't considered a "front line" round like the Gold Dot, Federal HST, Winchester Ranger, etc, etc.   
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Re: Bought a Glock19 today
« Reply #32 on: February 26, 2015, 07:35:29 PM »

Probable carry load will be Win Ranger 124 grn JHP +P.
124 or 127? My last two quals we were issued the Ranger 127gr +P+ after using the Gold Dot 126gr +P for several years.

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Re: Bought a Glock19 today
« Reply #33 on: February 26, 2015, 09:46:07 PM »
Until you fire hundred and hundreds of rounds of CorBon though your gun (s), I'd hesitate to say "flawless". There is a whole lot more to labeling something as so absolute as "flawless".

There is tons of data on CorBon ammo, so a quick search and you'll see why it isn't considered a "front line" round like the Gold Dot, Federal HST, Winchester Ranger, etc, etc.   

I've fired closer to thousands of rounds of corbon ammo thru my ccw guns. I surpassed hundreds years ago


Rich, Gman what's your thoughts?
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Re: Bought a Glock19 today
« Reply #34 on: February 27, 2015, 01:01:27 PM »
I've fired closer to thousands of rounds of corbon ammo thru my ccw guns. I surpassed hundreds years ago


Rich, Gman what's your thoughts?

Shoot a quality JHP of 9mm or larger and hit the right spots on the guy trying to kill you. It may surprise some, considering the amount of shootings and murders we have here, but I dont know a whole lot about wound ballistics. Other then what I just said. Normally I pull up to the scene, secure it and the evidence, and at most canvass for witnesses. I can see what round was used, or caliber at least, if from a semi-auto "and most are" by the shell casings on the ground. I can tell by where the wounds are if the shootee is in serious trouble or not, or kilt. But other then that I never got to deep into it.

Im not a Det. or a forensic pathologist. Or even an evidence tech. And frankly not even many of them get to involved in the specifics of ballistic performance. Even still today there isnt a whole lot of material on the subject.

If its a good self defense round and it feeds well in your gun then use it. Of all the variables the type of quality round used is probably the least important. "Where" you put that round is 1st, assuming it feeds flawlessly in your gun. Getting those rounds into that target before the other guy can is of equal importance.

One kid gets shot in the lung and dies on the spot , another gets shot in the lung "same type gun/round" and runs 2 blocks, bleeds out, yet gets kickstarted and lives? Who knows why? The only hand gun round Ive seen used that actually impressed me was the .357 mag JHP 125 grn. And scared me to since a gangster fired 4 at me once.

Get a well regarded self defense JHP that feeds well and practice with it. Even better take some courses on how to shoot while moving. Or with either hand. Or how to use cover. Or all of the above. Thats the summation of what I know.
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Re: Bought a Glock19 today
« Reply #35 on: February 27, 2015, 02:36:09 PM »
THe above is what I've liked about reading Rich's handgun/caliber posts.

He sees more of the real world effects due to his job and the nature of where it is, regarding pistol lethality, and probably has a more accurate idea than most, especially taken over the long view/many samples, of how lethal, or non-lethal, pistols with the majority of calibers are.  80 percent of those shot no matter what type of ammunition survive being shot, often with multiple wounds, with common semi auto pistol rounds, and the more light performing revolver rounds.  I agree that 357mag and 44 mag and other high velocity revolver rounds are a league apart from the common semiauto rounds.

My opinion on all the various types of "wonder rounds" for any caliber is that it's a game of inches.  Millimeters even.  I just think it's best to not wrap to much mind power around comparing the lethality of various common semi auto pistol rounds as it becomes an argument of "which of these things of which the world's very best isn't all that great, is better".  Again, having a good performing purpose built ammunition/round isn't going to hurt anyone, but being concerned about a percent or two here and there of handgun ammo performance when a shoulder supported weapon such as a carbine, shotgun, even a pistol caliber rifle, is SO much more lethal than most pistol rounds - it just seems pointless for a weapon that is at best a secondary system or a last ditch/defensive weapon.  IMO any of the decent defensive loads will suffice with a user who is able to be accurate and has a solid skill set that is maintained through training. 

Smokinloon said it well IMO as well.  I would agree with Rich as well, 147 gr stuff designed to be primarily used in suppressed weapons has shown a large enough gap in overall performance that I think it's safe to say to avoid it in 9mms unless you need a subsonic round.  Having a wonder bullet moving so slow really degrades the effectiveness of all that "bullet tech" anyway, so it's not a very good option for much of anything IMO, even in a suppressed weapon I would just use ball ammo as the low velocity really doesn't allow expanding bullets to perform all that great, but that's really my only really consistent thing I have to say about common pistol rounds.

It's mostly about location.  Like real estate.  Location, location, location.  The US Air Marshals have had 4 or 5 engagements, all of which ended up being lethal.  This doesn't jive with the usual 80% survival rate for a reason.  Many like to point to how the 357 sig is close to 357mag in lethality, and that is certainly a part of the story, but not the majority IMO.  It's hit placement, every one of these engagements had the target being struck right in the t-line, with rounds striking the cone of vulnerability accurately and often.  Do this, and any round type will work, although again having a good defensive ammunition won't hurt, again with the game of inches theory regarding lethality.  If I had to pick one, for me it would be Gold Dots, but again there are others that perform, and many are close enough to not make much difference.  Shoot some of any of these over a chrono, and you'll see enough variation in velocity that it makes arguing a few percentage points a moot issue anyway, when velocity can vary 50 or 70 fps with even the most expensive ammo.

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Re: Bought a Glock19 today
« Reply #36 on: February 27, 2015, 07:11:11 PM »
i made myself a couple expensive range nights. first one was running critical defense through my sig. i put a couple hundred rouds through it to be sure it'd feed/function reliably. i suspected it would, and it didn't disappoint. second night was feeding the same thing, but in 9mm through my sr9c. that's my carry gun at the shop. i'm a lot closer to camden there, and only a 5 minute walk from a "questionable" apartment complex.......
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