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Offline Rich46yo

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Re: N1k and other planes.
« Reply #75 on: August 02, 2015, 06:12:33 PM »
I find the KI-84 to be far more capable then the Nik.
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Re: N1k and other planes.
« Reply #76 on: August 02, 2015, 08:16:42 PM »
N1K is a pig above 7k and even at its target alt its simply a slow plane. Skyyr is correct when he says its guns are its only outstanding feature, and even then it has more to do with the ammunition capacity. The N1K is simply not that great of a performer compared to something like an F4U1n. C, not to mention the fact that it doesn't have the same range, Ord capacity or availability from Carrier groups.
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Re: N1k and other planes.
« Reply #77 on: August 02, 2015, 08:29:43 PM »
And also an important thing I forgot to add

Yes the c hog is a marginally better plane

BUT in a co alt merge, the n1k has the potential to finish the fight before the c hog has the opportunity to (this is not including any ho'ing tactics)

That simply isn't true. The 1c dominates the N1K in every aspect, except for turn radius. The catch here is that the 1c can dump speed faster than the N1K and go to flaps, so even then it's a wash.

In a co-alt merge, the F4U-1c will have between 20 and 50 mph on the N1K, so even in a neutral merge, the N1K loses.
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Re: N1k and other planes.
« Reply #78 on: August 02, 2015, 09:34:17 PM »

Though I do agree it could maybe damage the game for the newer players



I entirely agree with you, This is the biggest problem in aces high right now and why I think numbers are low but this is due to a lack of training for the new players

Not enough current players offer their help to newer players to help them become better! Sure they can go read on the aces high website.... But who wants to do that? They are here to read and study.... They are here to play! A spitfire/p38/n1k/p51 will be dispatched just as quickly as any other plane in a new players hands!

More players need to help new players become half decent before they can become better! Almost every single player still playing the game today has at some stage been taken under the wing of a player/squad and shown how it's done

And if the HTC crew reads this, I don't think it can be done with video's. I think people need to be put in a situation where they can ask questions

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Re: N1k and other planes.
« Reply #79 on: August 02, 2015, 09:36:40 PM »
Most people who play video games as a leisure activity don't want to be "Trained" to play a video game.
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Re: N1k and other planes.
« Reply #80 on: August 03, 2015, 07:53:34 AM »
The Ki84 really isn't that much more capable than the Nik. The Nik is just a little slower, buttt it can dive way better, so which is more important? The Nik and the Ki84 are extremely close at equal E. It really does come down to the pilot. The high Nik to a low Ki84 is very very dangerous, and a low nik has better defensive measures than the ki84, and can out dive it in case of emergencies at higher alts, is easier to control, and will climb to the KI84 after an over shoot and kill them. Think of diving speed to alt success people use in the MA. Not being able to dive effects a lot of players and their SA, which is why the Ki84 isn't as deadly as people make it out to be. The F4Us can actually get inside both planes on the rolls and during flat turns in a stall fight with full flaps. I've had, and proven, these fights vs really good oponents, it is the reason I fly the F4U more than Ki84s and Niks, it is a better plane period, now the 50 cals don't help as much in quick death shots or rope attempts. I'll say the Ki84 is among the best defenders in the game because of its quick acceleration and roll rate. The Nik is also a better defender than the F4U because of its guns, its quick ability to gain alt over a base, and because the F4Us biggest weak spot is low and slow on the deck, the Jap planes are just a little more versatile low on the deck. For the F4U to be successful it needs 10K (preffered to be higher than all enemies) at least 340 mph, and not get low n slow on the deck. The Nik should fly exactly the same way if you want to be more successful. I'm talking MA here. In the DA or equal co alt speeds, the F4U will beat both of them.

The Nik and the F4U are in a sense, almost identical up to an extent, however, with the F4Us faster speed and better dive, it is highly difficult for the Nik to win. But the thing about Niks is that they are very good in the zoom climb, even better than the ki84 if you ask me. So on the merge you have to break a lot of E to make the fight tight, instead of going for a rope merge against the Nik. The rope merge spells disaster with those large cannons and its ability to climb straight up.  You have to be a really good defensive flyer in the Nik. Cmex is a great defensive flyer and gets 85% of his kills making people overshoot and try to rope him in a Nik. The reason is because 95% of the fighters in the MA will catch you.

Personally, I think the Nik is easier to fly and learn than both the Ki84 and F4U. My reasons being that, 1. The Nik is the easiest to control, 2. The Nik can turn well and dive well, this makes it great for attacking fighters at enemy bases. 3. The Nik has much better cannons and allows for quick easy kills. 4. It has a lot of gas. And 5. It's allows newer players to get away with over controlling, much more than the other 2 planes. Although, the Chog is extremely close to the same fighting style, the Chog has slightly better output making it a more capable plane, yet, the F4Us are much more difficult to learn IMHO, because they are not as capable on the deck, where most new players end up fighting most of the time.
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Re: N1k and other planes.
« Reply #81 on: August 07, 2015, 05:56:29 AM »
  Having some easier planes like the Spitfires, N1K2-J and P-38L helps new players have fun, which makes them much more likely to stick around and become paying customers who learn and are then able to move on to more challenging aircraft.



P38L easy mode??? how so?
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Re: N1k and other planes.
« Reply #82 on: August 07, 2015, 05:58:43 AM »
Perking....

In my opinion the only two birds that should be perked are the Me-262 and the Me-163. Other than that, nothing....we need more B-29s and at lower altitudes. We need more Temps. And the C-Hog is just fun to kill. If everyone ups in one, they'll get bored and move into more challenging mid- or early- war birds.

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Re: N1k and other planes.
« Reply #83 on: August 07, 2015, 06:45:21 AM »
We need more Temps. And the C-Hog is just fun to kill. If everyone ups in one, they'll get bored and move into more challenging mid- or early- war birds.


This is not what happened when the C-Hog was unperked. The Tempest would be even worse.
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Re: N1k and other planes.
« Reply #84 on: August 07, 2015, 08:22:32 AM »
P38L easy mode??? how so?
It is easy.  Turns well, climbs well, good firepower on the centerline, no torque.

Has some down sides, but that is true of most fighters.

My experience in using it in AH was that it was very easy, one of the easiest fighters to succeed in.  Certainly easier than something like the Ki-84 or Bf109K-4.
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Re: N1k and other planes.
« Reply #85 on: August 07, 2015, 08:42:32 AM »
Except that the P38 is an enemy magnet and you can count on being engaged by everyone within icon range, at the same time.  It's flaw is it is just too big a target, and an irresistible one when I see it around.  Most of the time it is an easy kill, except when you run into those few who have mastered it.
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« Reply #86 on: August 07, 2015, 09:50:25 AM »
Except that the P38 is an enemy magnet and you can count on being engaged by everyone within icon range, at the same time.  It's flaw is it is just too big a target, and an irresistible one when I see it around.  Most of the time it is an easy kill, except when you run into those few who have mastered it.
No worse that the Spit's excessive fragility.

Both are easy.

There is a P-38 mafia on these forums that like to talk the P-38 up as being extremely challenging and drawing a crowd.  It just isn't so.  If you want to draw a crowd fly, in order of crowd drawing potential, an Me410 or something really rare or a Bf110 or a Mossie.
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Re: N1k and other planes.
« Reply #87 on: August 08, 2015, 01:48:30 AM »
Except that the P38 is an enemy magnet and you can count on being engaged by everyone within icon range, at the same time.  It's flaw is it is just too big a target, and an irresistible one when I see it around.  Most of the time it is an easy kill, except when you run into those few who have mastered it.

aside from it being my favorite this is why i fly it and the P40.
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Re: N1k and other planes.
« Reply #88 on: August 13, 2015, 02:30:46 PM »
It is easy.  Turns well, climbs well, good firepower on the centerline, no torque.

Has some down sides, but that is true of most fighters.

My experience in using it in AH was that it was very easy, one of the easiest fighters to succeed in.  Certainly easier than something like the Ki-84 or Bf109K-4.


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I don't normally disagree with ya....

but the 38 any of them....I would not think it is remotely close to the "easy" category...certainly not easier then the Ki84....hell that thing gets kills all by itself from what some say... :D


for a noob.. the 38 "easy mode"..no way......for guys like AKAK definitely easy but the guy has what 20 years flying it....


you forget you cant say what is "easy mode" by what You personally can do in it...


the 38 compresses easier then the Ki....I would highly doubt it turns tighter then the Ki at any given configuration(havnt looked could be wrong)

yes the center line guns are easier to Aim then wing mounted guns..but you still have to get used to firing them...(I actually have better aim using wing mounted guns)

it is a Giant target....once slow turns horrible...

you really have to know the plane to get the most out of it...

where as true "easy mode" rides a noob can get in and get kills within a short time...

spit 16
spit 9
La7
Ki84
temp
P51D
190D
109K4(except the guns make it not easy haha)


to me those are the true "easy mode" rides....

I would say the Brew- Hurri2C-and zero.... but they are way to slow to be really dangerous in the hands of a noob.

of course this is my opinion and we all know what opinions are like..... :cheers:

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Re: N1k and other planes.
« Reply #89 on: August 13, 2015, 04:36:59 PM »
P38 takes a lot of SA experience.

You have really know ACM simply because you have to learn how to predict the fight to perform the right manuevers.

While it does turn sorta well, it won't out turn anything better turning than a 109g14 no matter how hard you try.

It has mediocre speed so while it can out run some planes, other planes can still catch it. Especially when you run out of wep and have to RTB with 5 cons on your 6.

I wouldn't no where near call it an easy mode plane because you really have to understand E management and SA, while also not compressing in dives, and being able to predict manuevers using the correct ACM Vs better rolling planes.  It's not a plane some noob is going to have an easy time in.
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