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Soviet Fighter Tactics
« on: February 22, 2015, 01:05:07 PM »
My ammo last for 6 Lancasters, or one Yak3.
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Re: Soviet Fighter Tactics
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2015, 03:26:00 PM »
HuH??  :O

Besides, it must be remembered that the Me-109 can only hold the maximum airspeed indicated above for no longer than 1 or 2 minutes in horizontal flight, as their engine overheats and causes the coolant to boil. Therefore, if a Me-109 encounters our Yak 1 or La 5 that have the altitude advantage, he would not be able to disengage just by using superior airspeed. German pilots try to enter a dogfight so that they have an altitude advantage, and their attacks are fast, quick dives followed by quick climbs straight up in majority of the cases.

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FW-190 has a lot of vulnerable areas. Pilot is exposed during all but the perfect 12 and 6 o’clock attacks. Fuel tanks are not at all protected and are located directly under the pilot. Area in front of the engine housing oil tank and radiator is most vulnerable as well. Engine fan works at extremely high rotations; oil system or fan knocked out will inevitably cause the engine to overheat and flame out or malfunction.

Electric control circuit for weapons selection is located behind all the pilot armor and is not protected. Damage to it will prevent all guns from firing.

 
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Re: Soviet Fighter Tactics
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2015, 03:31:31 PM »
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Re: Soviet Fighter Tactics
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2015, 09:22:44 PM »
When you read encounter reports, I've seen many that state german fighters first sighted at 35,000 feet or even higher.

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Re: Soviet Fighter Tactics
« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2015, 03:33:25 PM »
I never learned to fly from the books. I truly think the best way to become a great fighter pilot if to use ur imagination to destroy the enemy besides you. If you have a great imagination or maneuvers, I think you can be a great fighter pilot.

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Re: Soviet Fighter Tactics
« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2015, 07:50:52 PM »
yes of course u can. But the average joe will be a lot better if someone teach him how to fly. there are a reason that fighter pilots are trained for years. Only a few have the "gift" to become great fighter pilots on their own. In a game its a bit different of course, it doesnt matter if u die 10 or 10.000 times before u "get it". but most people will learn faster if someone tell them what to do.

But most important imo is to understand the fundamental rules of flying. what physical rules the plane are bound to. If u are a great pilot u also will be a great fighter pilot.
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Re: Soviet Fighter Tactics
« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2015, 06:04:54 PM »
The excerpts from the Russian manual based on direct testing and interactions against the 109 and 190. Would point to a new look at the damage and performance for the planes in question.

Many of us shoot late landing our first hit sprites behind the cockpit. It would seem with the 190A possibly the D, the in game damage is too generic for such glaring oversights by Mr. Tank. An un protected circuit block just behind the pilot. Same for the gun compartment for the 262 which has unprotected circuit blocks and air tanks along with massed MK108 rounds. We so love to HO our 262. 
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Re: Soviet Fighter Tactics
« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2015, 12:51:07 AM »
I never learned to fly from the books. I truly think the best way to become a great fighter pilot if to use ur imagination to destroy the enemy besides you. If you have a great imagination or maneuvers, I think you can be a great fighter pilot.

There's a reason BFM and ACM consist of a relatively limited repertoire of known moves, even though some are specific to aircraft type.  They work.  Over years of air combat successful maneuvers have been retained and those less successful have been dropped.

The better idea is to study the past until you have an understanding of each maneuver and where and when it might best be used as well as understanding the geometry of air combat along with energy management.  This will keep you from learning bad habits (moves) that may be difficult to un-learn at a later date.

The art, or imagination as you put it, is in the combination of ACM to create angles (geometry) and energy management to gain an advantage.  Sure you can get lucky doing something else but consistent, successfully executed ACM with a deep understanding of energy and angles will make you scary good.
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Re: Soviet Fighter Tactics
« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2015, 08:40:27 AM »
Statement regarding 109F losing speed above 3000m is wrong, it's based on a test with a captured aircraft with faulty supercharger.
A broken fan on the 190 will not cause the engine to overheat easily - airflow was sufficient from level flight. The 190 was known as very good diver, hard to believe the Yak-7 would be better there.

In general one has to take the information presented on this site with some grains of salt. These are obviously translations from wartime docs encouraging pilots to fight, not to stay away from equal/better enemy planes.

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Re: Soviet Fighter Tactics
« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2015, 05:20:50 PM »
What?? No critique over the circuit blocks, pneumatic system air tanks and ammo? Loosing the guns, loosing your nose wheel actuator circuit or your nose turning into a small bomb is a lot worse than engine issues in the MA.

All of the available manuals on the electrical, pneumatic and ammo systems for the 262 and FW show a choice of relying on speed and the skill of the pilot to not get hit where these systems are concerned.

Over the years I've heard as many sources on the internet say the Russian documents can be trusted as cannot. Kind of makes you wonder if we can either in the face of our affections.
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