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Re: F106
« Reply #15 on: March 03, 2015, 10:33:23 AM »
Why 106 it has "double" stick handle?
The right side is a standard fighter control stick.  The left side is the radar control handle.  It rotated fore and aft, left and right, and everywhere in between to control the radar range gate and other associated functions.  The left side could also be locked in place to fly the Six with it if the pilot needed to manipulate equipment on the right side of the cockpit.



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Re: F106
« Reply #16 on: March 03, 2015, 06:50:15 PM »
The right side is a standard fighter control stick.  The left side is the radar control handle.  It rotated fore and aft, left and right, and everywhere in between to control the radar range gate and other associated functions.  The left side could also be locked in place to fly the Six with it if the pilot needed to manipulate equipment on the right side of the cockpit.


   Did you have to use shift plus X to lock the stick? :devil


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  Great stuff D,I know a Navy guy who flew A6's and he told me he carried a Nuke,dummy of course,I'm not sure I would want to carry that responsibility.


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Re: F106
« Reply #17 on: March 03, 2015, 08:18:58 PM »
Always thought the 106 was a great looking and somewhat overlooked bird.  In my college dorm room, back in 79-80, on the bulletin board above my desk, my airplane porn was a Spit IX and a 106
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Re: F106
« Reply #18 on: March 03, 2015, 09:10:49 PM »
I agree Guppy, I too think that the 106 and the 102 somewhat as well are overlooked a little, but were superb interceptors that even by today's standards so far as climb/cruise/range are pretty decent.

I'm very interested in the Navy's new program for an F18 replacement.  There are so many camps with interesting opinions.  I kind of like the one that says throw the stealth/Low Observe stuff down the ladder a bit, still have a low RCS, but nothing like the very expensive and difficult to maintain current stuff and coatings and whatnot.  This camp wants a high performing, very long range interceptor type, that will rely on a powerful AESA radar for detecting and EW vs airborne threats, as well as very effective, fast, and long range a2a missiles and rely on these things instead of being less detectable.  I've read stuff that they want a 1.6 or higher super cruise capability, range greater than what the F14D had (which was fantastic already compared to any Hornet variant), and the ability to carry 10 AAM split between internal and external rails.

Thanks for all the info Puma, it's great to hear it first hand from a 106 driver.  I figured the 2nd stick was a sensor control.  Did you ever train for using the Genie vs a potential ground or sea based threat?  I figured such a fast missile would give you a bit more stand off capability over a B61 vs say a fleet of ships or exposed infantry/light armor in a pinch.  I understand it's far outside of what the F106 was tasked and designed for, just interested if it was ever an option.  Also, after the refit/design in the early 70s that added the M61, did you train a lot with it in a2a combat?  It's interesting that a fighter with such a big stick with the Genie would also have the gun (not that I'd be complaining or critical, it just seems cross purpose a little, an interceptor made to hit formations with an area affect weapon, having a precise short range pewpewpew as well).

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Re: F106
« Reply #19 on: March 03, 2015, 09:27:42 PM »

   Did you have to use shift plus X to lock the stick? :devil


    :rofl :rofl :rofl


  Great stuff D,I know a Navy guy who flew A6's and he told me he carried a Nuke,dummy of course,I'm not sure I would want to carry that responsibility.


    :salute
Nah, just a flip of a switch.  There wasn't much in the Six that was automated, except for the auto pilot.  As such, the Six was considered to have the highest workload cockpit of its time.  Additionally, it had some of the most technologically advanced features of anything flying at the time, but manually operated.



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Re: F106
« Reply #20 on: March 03, 2015, 09:44:35 PM »
I agree Guppy, I too think that the 106 and the 102 somewhat as well are overlooked a little, but were superb interceptors that even by today's standards so far as climb/cruise/range are pretty decent.


Thanks for all the info Puma, it's great to hear it first hand from a 106 driver.  I figured the 2nd stick was a sensor control.  Did you ever train for using the Genie vs a potential ground or sea based threat?  I figured such a fast missile would give you a bit more stand off capability over a B61 vs say a fleet of ships or exposed infantry/light armor in a pinch.  I understand it's far outside of what the F106 was tasked and designed for, just interested if it was ever an option.  Also, after the refit/design in the early 70s that added the M61, did you train a lot with it in a2a combat?  It's interesting that a fighter with such a big stick with the Genie would also have the gun (not that I'd be complaining or critical, it just seems cross purpose a little, an interceptor made to hit formations with an area affect weapon, having a precise short range pewpewpew as well).

The Six was designed as a pure air to air interceptor and as such, there wasn't any intent other than air to air employment of the Genie.  It was the basic Hail Mary against Russion bomber formations coming across the North Pole, the most bang for the buck. So, all of our training was against potential large formations.  At one of our live fire deployments, we had DACT scheduled after all the jets were nuke qualed.  Our DACT opponents were F-14s.  We briefed full up weapons for each side, stepped to the jets, and set up in the airspace for a four v four.  When the "fights on" call came, we sorted, locked, and called "Fox 3" (the Genie), kill, on each of the Tomcats or Tukeys, as they were commonly referred as.  They were expecting a close in heater and guns fight.  After that engagement they made sure to brief "no Genie" matchups.

The gun was developed to complement the AIM-4s that were pretty poor in a close in engagement, or any engagement actually.  The Six carried four AIM-4s and either the Genie or the gun package.  The gun package was essentially the same 20mm Vulcan cannon installed on the F-4E, a real hoot to pull the trigger on.  With 600+ rounds of 20mm and a 6,000 rounds per minute fire rate, we planned on having three 2 second bursts before the gun was empty.
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Re: F106
« Reply #21 on: March 03, 2015, 10:19:43 PM »
I love the looks of those old deltas. The Mirage III was prettiest of them all.
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Re: F106
« Reply #22 on: March 04, 2015, 09:41:19 PM »
The Six was designed as a pure air to air interceptor and as such, there wasn't any intent other than air to air employment of the Genie.  It was the basic Hail Mary against Russion bomber formations coming across the North Pole, the most bang for the buck. So, all of our training was against potential large formations.  At one of our live fire deployments, we had DACT scheduled after all the jets were nuke qualed.  Our DACT opponents were F-14s.  We briefed full up weapons for each side, stepped to the jets, and set up in the airspace for a four v four.  When the "fights on" call came, we sorted, locked, and called "Fox 3" (the Genie), kill, on each of the Tomcats or Tukeys, as they were commonly referred as.  They were expecting a close in heater and guns fight.  After that engagement they made sure to brief "no Genie" matchups.

The gun was developed to complement the AIM-4s that were pretty poor in a close in engagement, or any engagement actually.  The Six carried four AIM-4s and either the Genie or the gun package.  The gun package was essentially the same 20mm Vulcan cannon installed on the F-4E, a real hoot to pull the trigger on.  With 600+ rounds of 20mm and a 6,000 rounds per minute fire rate, we planned on having three 2 second bursts before the gun was empty.

How ironic. Tomcats and Eagles feel cheated when they can't use their sensor/missile advantages against Falcons and Hornets. Cool to see them get a taste of their own medicine and then request restrictions the same way pre-AMRAAM Falcons didn't want Phoenix and Sparrows coming their way.
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Re: F106
« Reply #23 on: March 04, 2015, 11:04:54 PM »
I love the looks of those old deltas. The Mirage III was prettiest of them all.




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Re: F106
« Reply #24 on: March 05, 2015, 03:59:47 PM »

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Re: F106
« Reply #25 on: March 05, 2015, 07:21:42 PM »
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Spiffing stuff Puma! The 106 is a beautiful aero plane!  :aok
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Re: F106
« Reply #26 on: March 05, 2015, 08:24:34 PM »
Huzzah Canada!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Spiffing stuff Puma! The 106 is a beautiful aero plane!  :aok

Thanks!  Indeed it is.  The sound it made coming up initial was unmistakable.  Almost like a finely tuned Indy car goin the speed of heat.  A flight of four up initial, just WOW!




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Re: F106
« Reply #27 on: March 06, 2015, 01:28:51 AM »
I love the looks of those old deltas. The Mirage III was prettiest of them all.

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Re: F106
« Reply #28 on: March 06, 2015, 09:26:15 AM »
Nah, this one is: J35 Draken  :lol
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This one looks almost like batman flying.
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Re: F106
« Reply #29 on: March 06, 2015, 10:21:19 AM »
Yes the Saab Draken double delta is a very beautiful plane. Good performance too.

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