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Re: Neville Chamberlain Did The Right Thing?
« Reply #45 on: March 03, 2015, 09:27:09 PM »
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I don't know how to approach the answer to your initial question.  I don't have a clue what would have happened if Chamberlain declared war over the Sudetenland.

He wouldnt have had to. He could have chased the Germans back with a calvary company. The Germans had strict orders to avoid a fight at all costs and to retreat immediately.
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I don't think history should lay it all on Chamberlain.
As Ive said the French signed the Munich pact also. Dealing a European Democracy to the Devil.

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A supporting thought - the terms of war are harsh but the terms of the peace must be peaceful.  I give you the Treaty of Versailles and its never-ending punishment of the German people.  It was a mindset that was supposed to be a foundation for peace in Europe.  How could it be?
Wilson argued the same. Had not the worlds economies imploded we may never had to have even discussed it. But both happened.
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Clearly he was not a fool but he was intransigent in the face of what contemporary diarists agree were the real threats.
He was a "fool". He took world events and shaped them into something palatable to his supporters. Today we call it "spin". There may be different views of reality but there is only one reality.

N. Chamberlain was a fine man. He was more an economist then a war leader. He wanted nothing to do with war, his background was in business and he was concerned with improving the lives of the English workers and making England more prosperous. He wanted nothing to do with war and would have gladly passed on such decisions to his successor.

Which he did. Like Ive said, History is a VHS tape on re-wind.
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Re: Neville Chamberlain Did The Right Thing?
« Reply #46 on: March 04, 2015, 12:25:39 AM »
He was not a fine man he had a ego to match his arrogance :old:

He was a national hero after Munich waving his piece of toilet roll about :old:

And continued to appease the Germans :old:

Its is well documented that Hitler was well aware if he did not continue his agressive policies he would be ousted by the German military :old:

When they invaded France they filled up their tanks at petrol stations marked on copies of holiday maps, the cheeky sods even left reciepts with the petrol stations.

Chamberlame was the same as the appeasers in the US and Lindberg and his mob, what would have happened if the Japanese would have entrentched themselves in South East asia?.

The outcome would have been a US military incapable of defeating the Japanese :old:

The appeasers in Britain would have been in the same position with the Germans ruling with a iron fist.

Chaimberlain died shortly after knowing that he had left Britain up the river without a paddle.

The subtext of that video is "Would it have been that bad if Hitler had won" not Chamberlame and his endevours to save the peace.

The Germans were not passive idealists trying to right wrongs done to Germany, they were continuing German policy started by the Kaiser and his Prussians.

Gibberish and more Gibberish

Why do people collect Narzzie gear they lost?

The British won WWII as well :old:
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Re: Neville Chamberlain Did The Right Thing?
« Reply #47 on: March 04, 2015, 09:19:35 AM »
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He was not a fine man he had a ego to match his arrogance :old:

Why do you use that old and wise emoticon? Your like in your 20's aren't you?

Study a mans entire life before condemning him. One man did not make The Munich Pact. Entire Partys and voting populations did. Entire Nations did. Unfortunately he was caught in the picture waving it around.

He devoted his life to domestic reform and helping out the "little guy". Things like getting kids out of sweatshops. He had no interest or vision for foreign policy, other then securing peace to further England's economic rebound. He was just the wrong guy at the wrong time. After the war they ran Churchill out too.

He died of cancer, not starting a war. Next time post when your sober.

The Horror that was WW1 played a big part in the Allied reluctance to face up to the German's. Public opinion did not favor a confrontation with Hitler.
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Re: Neville Chamberlain Did The Right Thing?
« Reply #48 on: March 04, 2015, 10:15:44 AM »
The British won WWII as well :old:

The Allies won WWII.   
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Re: Neville Chamberlain Did The Right Thing?
« Reply #49 on: March 04, 2015, 10:24:43 AM »
BTW, on the motion, I was a "do not know".  After the debate and after reading the very interesting posts here, I became a YES.

To pick up on a sentiment, I do not think that Chamberlain was a fool, idiotic, (fill in your term), but he was not blameless.   He made mistakes.  But overall I would have to say that he did the right thing given what his choices where...


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Re: Neville Chamberlain Did The Right Thing?
« Reply #50 on: March 04, 2015, 01:16:57 PM »
Why do you use that old and wise emoticon? Your like in your 20's aren't you?

Study a mans entire life before condemning him. One man did not make The Munich Pact. Entire Partys and voting populations did. Entire Nations did. Unfortunately he was caught in the picture waving it around.

He devoted his life to domestic reform and helping out the "little guy". Things like getting kids out of sweatshops. He had no interest or vision for foreign policy, other then securing peace to further England's economic rebound. He was just the wrong guy at the wrong time. After the war they ran Churchill out too.

He died of cancer, not starting a war. Next time post when your sober.

The Horror that was WW1 played a big part in the Allied reluctance to face up to the German's. Public opinion did not favor a confrontation with Hitler.

The Tories did not give a ham shank about WWI , they were concerned with Stalin and is commie ways.

Churchill did more for social reform for the working classes than anything Chamberlain did that is why he was despised by his own party.

They never trusted Churchill because he had odd ideas about helping the working classes, Randolph Churchill was the same, and so was Churchill's mentor Lloyd George.

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Re: Neville Chamberlain Did The Right Thing?
« Reply #51 on: March 04, 2015, 01:22:58 PM »
The Allies won WWII.

You and Zack are both wrong. The Russians won the European theatre and probably had more impact on Japan's decision to end the war than the nukes did.
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Re: Neville Chamberlain Did The Right Thing?
« Reply #52 on: March 04, 2015, 01:35:43 PM »
You and Zack are both wrong. The Russians won the European theatre and probably had more impact on Japan's decision to end the war than the nukes did.


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« Reply #53 on: March 04, 2015, 02:08:15 PM »

USSR wasn't one of the allies?  That's news I can use!

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Re: Neville Chamberlain Did The Right Thing?
« Reply #54 on: March 04, 2015, 02:43:53 PM »
You and Zack are both wrong. The Russians won the European theatre and probably had more impact on Japan's decision to end the war than the nukes did.

The first I agree with, tho I never remember saying different :headscratch:. The second I dont, especially since elements in the Japanese Govt.'s had spent months trying to figure out a way to end the war. The nuke attacks gave them the "justification" to end it, as in the "Justification the Nation Family had sacrificed enough" to justify ending it. Lol, read his speech to his cabinet at the end and tell me if this was a man who would use the word "surrender"? http://www.bookmice.net/darkchilde/japan/hirohito2.html In a region of the world where "face" and "words" mean everything look at that speech and tell me what he's really saying?

Notice the lack of the words "starting it" "apology" and "surrender". :D

Zack who in hell was talking about Churchill's pre-war activities? Someone correct me if Im wrong but wasnt he and Chamberlain members of the same party? The same party that Backed the Munich Pact? All Im saying is you cant pin that decision on one man. He was just the fall guy.
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Re: Neville Chamberlain Did The Right Thing?
« Reply #55 on: March 04, 2015, 04:21:45 PM »
You and Zack are both wrong. The Russians won the European theatre and probably had more impact on Japan's decision to end the war than the nukes did.

I agree with you.  The Russians took the brunt of it and (to disagree with Rich a bit), from what I understand, Europe had a very big impact on the Japs.  And so did the nukes.  And so did their losses in the Pacific.

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Re: Neville Chamberlain Did The Right Thing?
« Reply #56 on: March 04, 2015, 08:52:55 PM »
Churchill did more for social reform for the working classes than anything Chamberlain did that is why he was despised by his own party.

They never trusted Churchill because he had odd ideas about helping the working classes, Randolph Churchill was the same, and so was Churchill's mentor Lloyd George.

I think that Churchill was a far more complex figure than you let on.

Here is a Gresham College lecture "The Legacy of Winston Churchill" by Professor Vernon Bogdanor FBA CBE.

http://www.gresham.ac.uk/



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Re: Neville Chamberlain Did The Right Thing?
« Reply #57 on: March 04, 2015, 08:59:23 PM »
The Tories did not give a ham shank about WWI , they were concerned with Stalin and is commie ways.

Churchill did more for social reform for the working classes than anything Chamberlain did that is why he was despised by his own party.

They never trusted Churchill because he had odd ideas about helping the working classes, Randolph Churchill was the same, and so was Churchill's mentor Lloyd George.

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Re: Neville Chamberlain Did The Right Thing?
« Reply #58 on: March 05, 2015, 02:26:16 AM »
I have reported Rich for using expleatives :old:

Churchill was in high government office pre WW1 in regards to well fare reform

The Narzzies had come to economic understandings in regards to the backward countries of old europe.

Pilsudski of Poland was invading german territory in the 1920's.

Poland hated the russians and the germans, they were playing with the big boys without the means to follow it through.

bulgaria romania hungary all towed the line with germans because they knew they were backward countries economically and military
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Re: Neville Chamberlain Did The Right Thing?
« Reply #59 on: March 05, 2015, 08:24:53 AM »
Wrong on Poland Zack. 
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