BF-109f4 vs. Spit16

[Slade]

I noticed in some sustained fights against Spit16s in a BF-109f4 that when it got low and slow; and I started dumping the flaps, I started out turning the Spit16s (below 10k).  I wish I had films.  It was a surprise and a delight.  Did not end too well for the Spit16s.

Any other BF-109f4 pilots find the same thing?


Thanks,

Slade 

[Zoney]

The 109F is the best pure dogfighter in this game, it whips spittys.


Luftwaffe UberAlles

[Slade]

Zoney I agree the 109f is an amazing plane. 

I think it involves a bit more work than and LA or Spit to make it happen. 

One Spit16 I went up against used every Spit16 trick in the book.  Every wiggle, zig-zag, partial climb out, Split-S, tail slide, side-to-side to get inside me etc. etc. etc. 

It was a very active engagement to keep him in front of me once I got on his 6 but he used all his E in doing all the standard Spit16 exploit moves.  Was like watching a Spit16 combat manual in front of me...then I killed him.

If other enemy cons were around I would have had to pull off.  Having time and patience seems to be the best technique in the 109f.

[Zoney]

Yes, winning against multiple cons is possible if they stay in the fight.  Once one of them gets smart and they start trading off keeping you defensive, for me, my death is normally inevitable.  I love flying it but because of the late war monster rides I hardly ever do, because it just can't chase anything down.  I'm not very good in it however, you have to stick with that bird for awhile to really 'get it".

[FLS]

The 109F4 has maneuvering flaps and slats. The Spit 16 only has landing flaps and it has clipped wings.

[Zimme83]

An 109F turns roughly equal with a spit IX so it should be a correct observation.

[Bruv119]

spit 16's biggest down fall is it's slow speed turning ability with the flap out,  it will still beat most planes but the 109 F4 edges it.

However give me the 5,8 or 9 and I'll knock the 109 F4 into the middle of next week.   

[Zimme83]

U would prob beat it in a Camel but thats another story.

[FLS]

An 109F turns roughly equal with a spit IX so it should be a correct observation.

Spit 16 has a 2 degrees per second no flaps turn advantage. Same advantage an F6F has over a P-51.

[Latrobe]

However give me the 5,8 or 9 and I'll knock the 109 F4 into the middle of next week.   

No you won't! 


Well, maybe with the 5. That thing is the only spit that can really give the F4 trouble. The Spit 1 the 109F4 can't out turn but it can out-everything else it. All other spits the F4 will eat alive!! 

[Zimme83]

Dropping flaps in a spit hels u swing the nose around awfuly fast. Thats a very good thing with the spit. U dont need flaps to turn tight but dropping them a brif sec on top of the loop can give the con an unpleasant surprise.

[MiloMorai]

Flaps on the Spit are only used for landing.

If you are using them in combat you are doing something WRONG.

[Guppy35]

Seems to me that turn fighting a Spit 16 v a 109F would be like the real world Spit VIII drivers who tried to out turn Japanese birds in the CBI.  It would be a case of not using your advantages and giving the lighter bird the chance to fight its fight.

But that being said I'd feel ok in a 5, 8 or 9 duking it out with an F

[Karnak]

Spit XVI has all the tools it needs to wipe the floor with the Bf109F-4, so long as it doesn't turn with the Bf109F-4.

[Gman]

I agree Karnak, as much as I love the little F4, IMO a smarter Spit16 pilot will use everything other than turn rate/radius and can win a majority of engagements. 

What really interests me is the Spit5 vs F4 match up.  It's very close, and sort of the opposite of the Spit16/F4 setup - the F4 has superior power and climb, and so long as the F4 doesn't get sucked into a low speed turn fight, and makes the Spit5 fight nose up, IMO it's the F4 that holds a better hand of cards.  It's my favorite fight to run into when I fly the Spit5, always fun times.